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1 posted on 08/21/2011 2:05:30 PM PDT by DaveinOK54
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Confiscated?? I wouldn’t want to be one of jackboots walking my driveway for that!


2 posted on 08/21/2011 2:08:21 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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Not gonna happen. There isn’t enough gold in the world to back what the US alone has in cash floating around.


3 posted on 08/21/2011 2:13:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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Nationalizing gold is always a possibility. Make it illegal to sell it. Wouldn’t put anything past the kenyan.


4 posted on 08/21/2011 2:14:36 PM PDT by albie
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ivedone the math in the past... there is something like $70 trillion between M1, M2, and M3 supplies (of the top of my head)

using only gold as a standard, and not a commodity basket, gold would be just under $9500 / ounce


6 posted on 08/21/2011 2:17:27 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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Would the price be artificially fixed?

A gray area where people can just speculate, but for the point about the price being artificially fixed, it would have to be initially to say all dollars are worth x ounces of gold. You would also require some sort of centralized funnel to keep outside influences from messing with your currency, something like a Gold Reserve Bank. (Example, a country decides they don't like us, just flood the market with gold or withhold it depending on how they want to affect prices- just like what is done sometimes with oil.) You would also need to somehow re-start the gold industry in the US as most of the major suppliers are other countries, many of which aren't always the most politically stable. You would need to have a domestic lock on the sources if your currency is backed by it. There is a lot to consider.

7 posted on 08/21/2011 2:18:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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I’ve heard that Obama has made clear his plans for gold somewhere around July 15 while we were all focused on the debt ceiling vote, according to Townhall Spotlight. I’ve also heard that the banks have been instructed to check all safety deposit boxes for gold or any other valuables; the same goes for storage rental units. Google Obama’s stance on gold.


8 posted on 08/21/2011 2:18:59 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE RINOS!)
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Private ownership of gold is the normal state of affairs when currencies operate on a gold standard. It doesn’t make much sense otherwise, since the whole point of a gold standard is to make the currency unit fully and freely redeemable for a fixed amount of gold.

And that answers your second question. It’s not the price of gold that is fixed under a gold standard, it’s the amount of gold for which the currency is guaranteed to be redeemable. It only works well when the issuer of the currency has enough gold to redeem all the issued currency. The many failures of which you will hear happen almost exclusively because the currency issuer doesn’t have enough gold to redeem all the issued currency. The only other failure mode is for the issuer to have the gold, but refuse to redeem his currency for it.

Under an international gold standard, each currency unit is really just a different amount of gold, and any fluctuations in the exchange rates occur solely as a reflection of the market’s attitude regarding the risk that the issuer doesn’t have enough gold to back the currency, or might choose not to redeem the currency for the stated amount of gold for some other reason.


10 posted on 08/21/2011 2:21:06 PM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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I found this gem buried in Dodd-Frank interesting.

Disclaimer: Reader must vet source.

12 posted on 08/21/2011 2:26:29 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Obama - the Half-Black Plague)
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Okay, say the dollar is worthless and gold is the standard metal for buying anything. Say I got some gold in the form of one ounce "certified" coins worth $3K each that I paid for. How do I buy groceries or purchase gasoline, etc with my gold coins? What if the cost of my groceries, gas, utility bill, mortgage payments get accepted and paid for with the one ounce pieces of gold? Remember, each ounce is supposedly worth $3K. Do I get myself an ounce scale and cut up the pieces of gold? Do I put the gold in an envelope and mail them with a stamp that has to be paid with gold as well? And how will the clerks at the grocery check out lane know what I'm giving them is the right amount when the value of gold keeps going up and down?

I think this whole thing of feeling secure because I gave gold to replace the paper dollar is kind of spooky and unreliable. In other words, hopeless.

19 posted on 08/21/2011 2:47:41 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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I don’t think you want to be on a gold standard where you have to pay all your bills in gold.

They are not going to make dollars redeemable in gold, everyone would hoard the gold esp. foreigners.

Maybe a two tier monetary system, one currency based on some gold and other things to satisfy international debts and trades. The second currency for the little people to carry on with their daily lives.

Doesn’t much matter until spending is under control, the more debt incurred the lower the US$ will be worth and the higher the spot price of gold will be until the dollar is no longer the world’s reserve currency.


20 posted on 08/21/2011 2:47:47 PM PDT by Razzz42
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Shortly after taking office sixteen years later, Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed Executive Order 6102 into law, prohibiting the “hoarding” of gold. Under this executive order, Americans were prohibited from owning more than $100 worth of gold coins, and all “hoarders” (i.e. people who owned more than $100 worth of gold) were forced, by law, to sell their “excess” gold to the government at the prevailing price of $20.67 per ounce.

Then, once the government had all the gold, FDR revalued the dollar relative to gold so that gold was now worth $35 an ounce. By simple decree, the government had thereby robbed millions of American citizens at a rate of $14.33 per ounce of confiscated gold, which is why most historians agree that the Gold Confiscation of 1933 is the single most draconian economic act in the history of the United States.

http://www.silvermonthly.com/government-confiscation-gold-happened-beforecould-happen/


25 posted on 08/21/2011 3:27:40 PM PDT by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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Would the price be artificially fixed?

The dollar would be defined as a weight of gold. For example, if implemented today, the dollar would be defined as 1/1800 oz. of gold.

Gold's value could fluctuate, but the dollar would always maintain its purchasing power vs. gold.

Would it be confiscated?

If gold were confiscated, it wouldn't be a true gold standard. The genius of the gold standard was that anyone could redeem his paper dollars for the defined weight in gold. It was this condition that kept banks (and governments) from over-inflating the currency.

If people started to doubt the soundness of the paper bills, they would redeem them for gold. Too many gold withdrawals would result in bankruptcy and economic collapse.

31 posted on 08/21/2011 3:49:25 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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If the world went on a gold standard the price of gold would automatically skyrocket. There would be a period in which privately held gold could be turned in for a fixed price, thousands of dollars an ounce.

It sounds like a fantasy but when the dollar was backed by gold we had no inflation for decades at a time, and unprecedented economic growth

36 posted on 08/21/2011 4:21:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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You can't fix the price of gold, it's a global commodity. Second, you can set the dollar to a certain weight of gold and promise 100% convertibility. That's what the gold standard means. The price of the dollar in gold is currently ~$1800 per oz.
40 posted on 08/21/2011 4:39:30 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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bfl


51 posted on 08/21/2011 5:26:41 PM PDT by Noob1999
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