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To: 1066AD; P-Marlowe; Steel Wolf

If true, then the entire “rescue mission” story is a lie. One is true and one is false. Wonder which it is.

Would 20 Seal Team members suit up to provide reinforcement for a pinned down Ranger team?

I’m more given to believing that Rangers would mount up to relieve Rangers. They are rock solid about “leave no man behind.”

Therefore, I’m leaning in the direction of their suiting up to take out an important Taliban commander. The questions would then remain how they planted intel with our SpecOps, how they knew the route the Seals would take, and why the mission might have required a single airframe inserting a fairly large force.


24 posted on 08/08/2011 5:50:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
Citing intelligence "gathered from the area," the official blamed Qari Tahir, a Taliban commander, for masterminding the attack. He alleged that four Pakistani nationals helped Tahir carry out the strike...He said the intelligence also showed that the Chinook helicopter was brought down by multiple shots including "modern weapons" without giving further details.

I don't know how reliable this is, but the article also said that the place of the supposed meeting was in a valley, and there is only one way to fly into it, which would have brought them in close enough to be hit. It seems that other troops were already there, closing on the site of the supposed meeting, and the special ops flight was a standard back-up and not a last-minute extraction mission.

If this is the case, then clearly the Taliban knew the procedure and just had to rely on its being followed in order to spring their trap.

29 posted on 08/08/2011 6:01:13 AM PDT by livius
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If true, then the entire “rescue mission” story is a lie. One is true and one is false. Wonder which it is.

Not necessarily, althought it may be a confusing of terms by our friends in the media. It seems that the Ranger element was conducting the raid, or had otherwise hit contact. The SEAL element appeared to have been either the IRF/QRF backup, or possibly the main element of the raid that was moving into support the Ranger cordon that landed first and hit contact. 'Rescue' is probably journalist shorthand for hairs we might have split a lot finer in the military.

Would 20 Seal Team members suit up to provide reinforcement for a pinned down Ranger team? I’m more given to believing that Rangers would mount up to relieve Rangers. They are rock solid about “leave no man behind.”

It seems they were all part of the same operation, which is not uncommon. Even as the 'rescue' appears more of a reinforcements plan with teams already in place kicking in to support the element in contact.

I have a pretty clear idea of what these next three answers are, but for the purpose of loose lips, I'm going to go with the abridged versions.

The questions would then remain how they planted intel with our SpecOps,

Trial and error. Feed us enough bait, see what we sniff and ignore, and what we eat, and sooner or later, you've got us.

how they knew the route the Seals would take,

Observation of our TTPs, based off of our actions in similar terrain. They likely picked a 'meeting spot' ambush site in terrain that only had one really good infil route.

and why the mission might have required a single airframe inserting a fairly large force.

Good old METT-TC there. Why the commanders went with that airframe over others is dependent on factors we don't know. It's certainly not unusual to fly Chinooks in Afghanistan.

53 posted on 08/08/2011 9:50:22 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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