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Paul Krugman: The President Surrenders
The New York Times ^ | July 31, 2011 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 07/31/2011 9:25:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A deal to raise the federal debt ceiling is in the works. If it goes through, many commentators will declare that disaster was avoided. But they will be wrong.

For the deal itself, given the available information, is a disaster, and not just for President Obama and his party. It will damage an already depressed economy; it will probably make America’s long-run deficit problem worse, not better; and most important, by demonstrating that raw extortion works and carries no political cost, it will take America a long way down the road to banana-republic status.

Start with the economics. We currently have a deeply depressed economy. We will almost certainly continue to have a depressed economy all through next year. And we will probably have a depressed economy through 2013 as well, if not beyond.

The worst thing you can do in these circumstances is slash government spending, since that will depress the economy even further. Pay no attention to those who invoke the confidence fairy, claiming that tough action on the budget will reassure businesses and consumers, leading them to spend more. It doesn’t work that way, a fact confirmed by many studies of the historical record.

Indeed, slashing spending while the economy is depressed won’t even help the budget situation much, and might well make it worse.....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; debtceiling; deficits; democrats; krugman; obama; teaparty
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To: Huskrrrr

Exactly. Krugman is one of the few morons left on the planet who believes Keynesian economics works. He and lot of other morons knew that America was their last hope. If they couldn’t make Keynes work here, it will never work anywhere.


21 posted on 07/31/2011 9:41:37 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Barry! Compromise this!!!)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

Socialists aren’t known for their looks, but Krugman has the appearance of a rabid squirrel.

If you look at his face, his eyes, he looks like a rodent or raccoon that’s been munching on industrial waste.

Does this mean I “hate” him? Well, I don’t hate rodents, and I don’t hate raccoons, so I guess I don’t hate their human version (Krugman) either.

But I don’t take economic advice from squirrels.


22 posted on 07/31/2011 9:43:01 PM PDT by LyinLibs (All moslems are somewhere on the killing-you spectrum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

he’s a nobel prize winning economist,
who sold his soul...

Just like Hansen of NASA.


23 posted on 07/31/2011 9:43:26 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder if Mr. Krugman has ever Googled the search terms “Warren Harding” and “depression 1920-1921” at any time?


24 posted on 07/31/2011 9:45:03 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He must not have listened to Wavy about the brown acid.


25 posted on 07/31/2011 9:45:07 PM PDT by John 3_19-21
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The worst thing you can do in these circumstances is slash government spending,

And if we were actually 'slashing' anything, we might have something to talk about.

26 posted on 07/31/2011 9:45:16 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (The Tea Party didn't start the fire - they sounded the alarm!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No as we say in the South He’s ignernt.


27 posted on 07/31/2011 9:45:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Congressman Emanuel Cleaver: If I were a Republican I would be having a party”

Glancing quickly at several dem boards they are crying just as loudly as some here. Mirror images.

We were sold out, traitor, DINO, weakling, blah blah blah

My favorite DU topic — “F-—K Progressives. Screw Liberals. The message is that we are officially irrelevant”

Obama and the rest of the Conservadems have officially enshrined the GOP Teabagger Agenda in stone. And they are doing it willingly and, I suspect happily. Liberalism is dead. At least within the template of the current Democratic Party.

Another board - “The Tea Party is kicking butt and Democrats are licking their boots. The Tea Party is running this country, and Obama has the worst negotiation skills in presidential history.”

“Something needs to happen to make the f-—ing Democrats understand that we’re more than the “lunatic left”. We’re tired of them selling us out every g-—amn time they make a “deal”.

And on and on. It’s a real meltdown.


28 posted on 07/31/2011 9:46:21 PM PDT by tlb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Krugman hate it, I like it. Just by definition.


29 posted on 07/31/2011 9:47:37 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Gore Lauds Romney on Climate Position; 0bamaCare was based on RomneyCare.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Krugman is the Last of the True Keynsians.

NOTHING cannot be solved with a sufficient infusion of freshly printed thin-air money.


30 posted on 07/31/2011 9:47:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been out of the news loop on the debt discussion because we’ve been camping, but if Krugman is unhappy, things must be developing in a positive direction at least a little.


31 posted on 07/31/2011 9:47:47 PM PDT by lurk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank God I hit the NY Times paywall.


32 posted on 07/31/2011 9:49:10 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: RowdyFFC

Krugman and Friedman agree: that pesky constitution just gets in the way.

CHINA is the model! Dissenters? Bullet in the neck! Onward to victory, comrades!


33 posted on 07/31/2011 9:49:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The President Surrenders”

I’ll get back with ya Mr. Krugman....after the rubber meets the road.

Sorry I have become such a cynic.


34 posted on 07/31/2011 9:50:23 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Absolutely Nobama

LOL, and agree.


35 posted on 07/31/2011 9:50:40 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It no longer matters. This country is over. It’s all going to crash.

A new president is too far off to do this nation a damn bit of good. We are going to be downgraded. We are going to fall into a full blown Depression.

THERE IS NO VICTORY TONIGHT. and theres not ever going to be one.

Obama with the democrats and the rest of those damn politicians have ruined our country.

I’ve had it folks. That bastard Obama has won. I don’t care how you cut it, the bastard has won. Sure, he may not win in 2012, but so what, the country is already lost.

Sorry, but my string has snapped... I have had it.


36 posted on 07/31/2011 9:52:58 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oh come on Paul. Drink some more!

You have to keep up with that washed up drunk, Maureen Dowd.


37 posted on 07/31/2011 9:53:54 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Terry Mross

I wonder if a lot of dems won’t not vote against it.


This is a triple negative. Congratulations. lol


38 posted on 07/31/2011 9:54:43 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the compromise consists of ‘cuts’ of $100-$300 billion a year then Krugman’s second sentence is correct. Everything else he says is crap. The nation is presently running deficits of $1,600 billion a year. With the proposed ‘cuts’ of the compromise that still leaves $1,300 to $1,500 billion added to the debt every year. Exponential math tells me we are fast approaching the event horizon.....


39 posted on 07/31/2011 9:55:20 PM PDT by yadent
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Paul Krugman, the Self-Contradicting Economist
40 posted on 07/31/2011 9:55:47 PM PDT by JimWayne
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