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Nope, we sure didn’t fix it from 2001 to 2009, but that doesn’t mean we can’t in the future. Let’s look at it another way, however, if Gore was President in 2001 and we got hit on 9/11...what happens?

I agree with your take on it in that time frame. The time frame I think we should be focusing on, is the time frame from eighteen months before, right through the general election. After that, it's too late.

Could we have done better than Bush. I have always thought we could have.

What scares the hell out me, is that we get this sure bet win in 2012, and we put up someone who doesn't have the chops to do the job. It is absolutely critical that we do the best job we have done in over thirty years, of vetting people and putting someone in who knows their ass from a hole in the ground.

If they don't understand global dynamics, no sale.
If they don't understand the border issue, no sale.
If they don't understand the need for GitMo, no sale.
If they have praised other people who don't get it, no sale.

Folks, if we get another person who isn't going to do what is right, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

WE HAVE GOT TO THINK THIS TIME AROUND. We can't just pick people we like. We can't buy another Edsel. It's time to man up and take responsiblity for who we pick.

I’d wager to guess a lot worse things would have happened.

I agree with that. I still say that once our nomination process was over in 2000 though, the nation was doomed for eight years. We weren't going to roll things back. We weren't going to implement Conservative policy. We were going to coast for eight years, and hand off another failed presidency.

We cannot do that any longer. We have to be honest with ourselves and do better.

I think too many people here want to make things black and white and the real world doesn’t exist that way.

No it doesn't, but things are at least dark gray and light gray. Tell me, do you think it's a big warning sign when the guy on your team not only doesn't abolish a certain department, but he doubles that department's budget in his first term? That's what Bush did with the Department of Education. Shouldn't we have abolished that? Shouldn't we have defunded NPR and PBS? Shouldn't we demand political equity on our college and university campuses? Shouldn't we quit providing government dollars to organizations like ACORN, and the rest of the list more than a mile long?

People want purity here the same way the liberals at Daily Kos or DummyUnderground want liberal purity.

I appreciate that argument, because a lot of folks make it. The sad fact is, we have not gone anywhere near as far to the right, as the Left has taken us in that directon (the Left).

Is our border under control? Isn't the president supposed to protect the states from being over-run?

Where is our demand for something equally as radical as homosexual marriage, or teaching our youngest children about homosexuality and transvesties?

I could go on for quite a while mentioning things that would curdle your blood, that the left has pushed for and achieved.

Where is our radical agenda? We ask that our Constitution be adhered to and you'd think we asked for the moon.

It’s not going to happen and the more one side tries for that purity, they lose control to the other side.

You don't get your agenda passed, unless you present that agenda to the public and make the case for it's implementation.

Do we do that? Hell, right now Boehner can't even sell the concept that building our debt up beyond $14.5 trillion isn't a good idea.

We get one guy to push decent reasoned logic, and then you get John McCain telling the nation that guy is a dolt.

We have no control over our people. We don't coordinate efforts. The Republican party is the party of neutered leaders.

I wish it weren't the case, but the Democrats go for the b_lls, and we play kissy kissy. You don't win battles like that.

Without control, you lose everything.

How did acting like we didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings in the early 2000s, go for us? Did that keep us in control?

With control, you don’t get everything but you certainly get something.

I'm not going to say that I don't agree with that, because I actually do. On the other hand, we had control and passed Medicare Part D.

We had the Congress and failed to make changes so the lending industry wouldn't go under.

Yes, having control is excellent, but not if you're going to fritter away opportunity and implement the Left's agenda for them.

When's the last time you saw the Left implement one single bit of our agenda for us?

That’s the reality of it all.

Look, I agree with your focus and enthusiasm, but there are actually more important things than having control.

If we have control and haven't got a clue what to do with it, what good is having it?

If we spend another eight years doing the back-stroke, we never deserve to be in power again.

Go Tea Party.