Posted on 07/29/2011 3:28:00 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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This is truly amazing. We have guaranteed spending 2 trillion dollars more than we take in, within one year. This bill was not supposed to last to the election in 2012 which is 15 months away. And the Demoncrats are talking about spoiling Christmas because they would have to renegotiate the ceiling in December. We're goners.
No.
This whole episode has been quite frustrating. For over 40 years, the Republican party has fought a losing battle while holding the majority hand. They fight almost exclusively a rational and dignified battle against a radical minority party, the Democrats. However, the Democrats like other radical minority parties of the past in other countries use tactics that work. The truth and ethics are of no relevance to their tactics—they control the media (see DiMaggio and Powell’s explanation of institutional control), use a few devastating lies that frighten people who have been made dependent on Soc Sec and Medicare (or welfare payments of other kinds—see Reyna and Brainerd’s explanation of how humans decide), and control education (kids through college—again, see DiMaggio and Powell). When you add the amount of money they automatically gather through forced union dues, the wealthy (Gates, Buffett, and the like), and a few industries (e.g., Wall Street) and you have an unstoppable force. The could represent a tiny percentage of the population but these factors are central to political power and they dominate them.
Arguing that spending is too great or the debt too high is wasted words—few people understand what that means to them personally and even those who do understand the consequences—well, those consequences are later and they are enjoying themselves as things are now (see Reyna & Brainerd, again).
The Democrats have watched the Republicans make extremely modest attempts at rational budget legislation and happily watched their media savage and misrepresent the Republicans. Meanwhile, the Democrats never advanced their own legislative proposals and never felt a need to — the public’s perception was always going to be shaped by the information they received (from the media; if you don’t get other information you can’t have any other perspective) and a simple fear of potential loss (such as Soc Sec, as threatened by the Democrats). Of course, some rich folk might get hit with higher taxes but the public believes they are isolated from any negative effect on them, personally. They have no way of knowing otherwise.
The Tea Party people have no leadership, no large financial backing, and no organization to wield influence. This appeals to some people but ultimately makes them weak against powerful political forces—the result being they are ridiculed in the media and by the powerful political forces. Remarkably, the Tea Party has a voice because of the widespread popularity of their common sense ideas. However, their political effect is still limited for the reasons I note.
Until the Republicans, or Tea Party members, or conservatives can get information to people in the way people understand information, their efforts will be ineffective. Right or wrong, it doesn’t matter.
I just had to complain a bit. Thanks for tolerating these words.
Nobody in DC wants to correlate the rising debt ceiling with declining jobs.
The rising debt ceiling has two consequences....
more regulation ...
to occupy employees in expanding federal bureaucracies...which expand because “they have more money” and another layer of bureaucrats need their 20 year promotions... Each round of regulatory expansion is the effective equivalent of another targeted tax increase on the object of the regulation.
more taxes...
The rising debt ceiling has demands and expectations of creditors for new elements of “revenue raising” by the Feds...taxes or fees.
In this strangling environment job creation is simply NOT possible.
In fact the only logical conclusion..can be ..is that the Federal apparatus -initially an asset to the United States..by virtue of its abilities to raise an effective Navy in the late 1700’s, and early 1800’s to facilitate overseas trade on behalf of the States, has become nothing other than the States greatest liability at this point in time. In the absence of profound regulatory and taxation reform-which is not capable of coming from the same minds that created the problem..we may well be at the end of the line.
For DC to face this fact...means the end of the K St-Congressional Party cycle in DC
Tnx.
Here’s my litthe thread on HR 2693. Introduced 7/28. It has links. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2756058/posts It was snuck in, I think, as an end-around.
Note the in 2012, something like 2012, 126Bn is to be spent on overseas military. Unemployment $$ is a built-in RISE.
And the MegaHertz bands are to be controlled.
The Dems/enemedia/0bama/Soros aren’t after Murdoch and the Tea Party. They’re after US.
Oh, and by the way, there’s a little news story on a committee vote that tracks ALL activities of all Americans and their Internet activities, mail, down to OCR recognition of mail activities. The vote was 19-11 and mentioned as a victory “for conservative Republicans” in the news lie I read. This little snippet is hard to find in English news stories: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20084939-281/house-panel-approves-broadened-isp-snooping-bill/
So, with the MgH control of Spectrum in the Reid/Boehner bill, this is about 1) gutting Defense, 2) establishing a Politburo, 3) spending us into infinity, and 4) controlling US.
There is also something written into some kind of Veterans’ bill about budgeting that has to do with debt.......
Something definitely happened in the vote last evening in the House. It was reported the previous day that Boehner needed 212 votes. Pelosi said there would be NO Democrat votes for the bill, but she “couldn’t speak for all members.” Krauthammer spoke of “giving cover” to 5 members for election purposes. There was A (1) story mentioning “because of Democrat absences,” which were over 20 at the time. Boehner get 218, with 5 Democrat, and a very, very few absences. There was a deal made to get those 5 to show up and change 1 Tea Partier to a “Yea.” I don’t want to go dig up all my posts/research on this at the moment. Sorry.
Veterans’ bill on capital spending and “other things”: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:6:./temp/~c112ELJhSN::
General listing of Veterans’ bills: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas
Vitter was reelected in 2010 with 57% of the vote and has always been an extremely reliable Conservative vote.
Graham was reelected in 2008 and sometimes supports Conservative principles.
Hatch IS actually up for reelection and, though he used to be reliably Conservative, he has in his later years been a squish on many issues, having become BFF with Teddy Kennedy. He actually IS trying to APPEAR Conservative.
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