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To: grey_whiskers

Thank you for the criticism. I really need to know where people will question this, so if anybody else sees something which their specialty seems to contradict, please pile on.

I had to look up what you referenced, so I am not an expert on it, but I will offer some quick observations. First, that work on the PUA stuff is generally just advice for low-fitness, r-selected males. It tells them how to act in a way that is unnatural to them, so as to fool hot (read Competitive K-selected) women into viewing them as acceptable mate choices. I’m pretty sure the vast majority of those guys will never get into a bar scuffle, and are much more likely to vote Democrat. One page I read even said not to bother competing with men for success as a means of impressing women, as it is just easier to fool women by using PUA techniques to get sex.

To me that is identical to a transvestite cuttlefish avoiding honest competition with a Competitor male, and just trying to mate as often as possible. Some will want to compete, earn, and then raise children well in a monogamous relationship. Others will try to avoid competition, mate as often as possible, and avoid having to raise kids. I see PUA’s as the second group, and I will bet most vote Democrat, if they vote. There will be guys who latch on to one girl, are loyal to her, who seek honest success in fair competitions with other men, and who view the PUA guys as “immoral” in some way. Those guys will tend towards Conservatism, and will vote Republican.

Humans are highly K-selected, so we are overwhelmingly competitive, meaning our females will favor competitiveness. Notice, also, hot chicks are highly fit, will tend to be Competitive themselves, and thus will seek out Competitor males for long term relationships.

r-selected individuals are usually of lower fitness, as they are the product of a reproductive strategy designed to produce quantity over quality. Thus in humans r-selected males will find better success with K-selected females by mimicking successful K-selected males, which is what I see there. I’m pretty sure if real competition reared it’s head, in the form of a bar scuffle, these guys would look for the nearest skirt to hide under. Any dude who names himself “Mystery” isn’t banging heads for fun.

r-selection is about two things. First, avoid danger and head-on competition with other males, and second, mate as often as possible. Here, faking K-selected status is just a technique - the strategy is the same. Don’t compete, don’t earn, just get the sex through deception.

Thank for the heads up on the PUA research.


9 posted on 07/19/2011 9:28:30 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (www.atheoryofwar,com - Why do Liberals exist within our species?)
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To: AnonymousConservative
I wonder. Has anyone ever done a study to compare the physical attractiveness of conservatives as compared to Marxists ?
14 posted on 07/19/2011 10:11:54 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: AnonymousConservative
I had to look up what you referenced, so I am not an expert on it, but I will offer some quick observations. First, that work on the PUA stuff is generally just advice for low-fitness, r-selected males. It tells them how to act in a way that is unnatural to them, so as to fool hot (read Competitive K-selected) women into viewing them as acceptable mate choices. I’m pretty sure the vast majority of those guys will never get into a bar scuffle, and are much more likely to vote Democrat. One page I read even said not to bother competing with men for success as a means of impressing women, as it is just easier to fool women by using PUA techniques to get sex.

There are two significant differences to my mind.

The first is that the PUA seeks to copulate with women, NOT by being feminine, like a cuttlefish, but by imitating competitive males. The second is that these men are interested neither children, nor in long-term monogamous relationships; the first of these makes PUA useless as a reproductive strategy, for there is no reproduction -- and the other appears to leave the alpha males the field open a bit later in life: except that the women so used are "older and wiser more bitter, hence less appealing to the competitive male, you go for younger women: these older women either hide in apartments and get 27 cats, or turn into Maureen Dowd and drop out of the mating race altogether.

Another issue is "hookups" involving oral sex, masturbation, contraception, and abortion: many of the screw-like-bunnies-instead-of-families crowd engage in this, so their birth rate is not what it would have been.

The other missing element is divorce and the marginalization of all the males who are not top of the heap, but who do most of the useful work in a society to provide for their (not-hottie, but still serviceable) "5"-to-"7" wives.

Will discuss other points in a day or two as I have time.

Cheers!

g_w

18 posted on 07/19/2011 3:32:05 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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