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Michele Bachmann Should Not 'Get a Pass' on Past Membership in Anti-Catholic Church
Catholic Online ^ | 7/17/2011 | Deacon Keith A. Fournier

Posted on 07/17/2011 1:06:48 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads

The news and blogosphere is filled with responses to the July 14, 2011 story by Joshua Green, the Senior Editor of the Atlantic, entitled "Michele Bachmann's Church Says the Pope Is the Antichrist." That is because it raises a serious matter which should not be taken lightly, and one which the candidate must address. First, let me share some personal context. I am what is often called a "revert" to the Catholic Church, someone who returned to the Church of my childhood after a long search for the truth. I love being a Catholic Christian. I hold an undergraduate degree and a master's degree in Catholic theology. I am a dissertation away from obtaining a PhD in Catholic Moral Theology. I am also a member of the Clergy, a Deacon. However, I write this article as a private and very concerned citizen.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antichrist; bachmann; bachmann4obama; catholic; catholicism; catholics; catholics4obama; frfullofsleepers; michelebachmann; palin; papism; sarahpalin
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To: Mr. K

I don’t care who thinks the Pope is the anti-Christ or a potted plant. I want to know who will repeal Obamacare, repeal the 16th amendment, appoint originalist judges, shut the border, etc.


421 posted on 07/19/2011 10:48:59 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Mr. K

I don’t care who thinks the Pope is the anti-Christ or a potted plant. I want to know who will repeal Obamacare, repeal the 16th amendment, appoint originalist judges, shut the border, etc.


422 posted on 07/19/2011 10:49:25 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Your practical view is admirable.
423 posted on 07/19/2011 10:51:31 AM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I never said or implied that salvation was a process. AGAIN — justification occurs once. I have said so ad nauseum. Time to move on, I think. Sanctification IS a process. ‘Nuff said.


424 posted on 07/19/2011 2:55:59 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: fortheDeclaration

“Well, then if you are justified once before God, you are saved (Eph.4:30).

Christian growth is a different issue and has nothing to do with salvation.”

AGAIN - which I have said....ad nauseum.


425 posted on 07/19/2011 2:58:32 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: verity

I came to this view years ago, listening to Jimmy Carter and other babykillers say, “I’m personally opposed...” They should have been laughed at. What matters is What will you do in office? not What are your inner thoughts?


426 posted on 07/20/2011 12:27:49 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Mr. K

this is nonsense.

The “pope is the antichrist” meme of that branch of the Lutheran church is considered a joke in Minnesota.

And actually, at the time that Luthur said it, there had been a lot of popes who were pretty rotten...


427 posted on 07/20/2011 5:09:56 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: ex-snook

Sadly, you are correct. I worry about Evangelicals staying home on election day or even worse voting for Obama should Romney be a candidate. Some people manage to make the acceptable or better the enemy of the ideal. Romney has a lot of flaws but is far superior to Obama.


428 posted on 07/24/2011 2:55:09 PM PDT by Upbeat
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To: daniel1212; AdamBomb
Dan -- for you, a good short read, even if a little dry. You might learn something about the validity of statistics from this.

How to Lie with Statistics

429 posted on 07/28/2011 6:12:53 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos; smvoice; metmom; HarleyD; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; Diamond; Quix; RnMomof7; ...

As is very typical you, this is nothing original, but has been tried before, and others who have hypocritically tried to impugn the credibility of my stats (http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html) were shown to be wrong.

While you brazenly infer that i am lying with stats, Catholic sources themselves reference polls which i do, as valid, in seeking to sound an alarm. And RC apologists also use stats when it favors Rome, without being questioned or charged with manipulation by their own (though they were shown by others to have engaged in misrepresentation)

As for the book, in my case such a book can actually validate my use of stats, some of which come from Catholic-commissioned surveys, as it not manipulative use of misleading questions that testifies to the inferior state of RCs, but the censuses of what survey after survey have shown, without any real contradiction. And when i found significant variance in response to the issue of the nature of the Eucharist, i included them.

Moreover, while the statistics show a superior degree of conservative views and unity and of commitment among evangelicals, they as well as a linked supplementary work also testify to the declension of the evangelical church, as the positive number should be much higher.

Thus your inference is due to your myopic cult-like commitment to defend Rome, and is at odds with more objective and far more official RC organs, who rather than place their head in the sand, admit the declension of Rome, and which is also happening in evangelical faith, as prophesied. (2Thes. 2:3) In fact, one RC here responded to the statical testimony of the inferior spiritual condition of RCs by using it to affirm that Rome is the OTC, based upon that prediction!


430 posted on 07/30/2011 8:22:59 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: daniel1212

Not an original thought in his brain, dan.

He’s just ticked because he got showed up with that first.


431 posted on 07/30/2011 9:01:38 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: daniel1212

Thanks for your great post. There is NO revival that is going to happen in the last days of the Church the Body of Christ. There is a falling away. It is evident both in God’s Word and in everything around us. To look for some great spiritual awakening is to ignore what God plainly said. The result of which will be to swept up into false teachings, false signs and wonders and false prophets preaching another Jesus.


432 posted on 07/30/2011 9:07:42 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: daniel1212; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; ...

Perhaps you are forgetting the evolving mores . . .

. . . “values” . . .

‘If the MSM doesnt say it—it can’t be true.’

‘If a Proddy says it—it has to be declared untrue.’

‘If a Proddy Pentecostal END TIMES believing, conservative anti-Marxist says it—it MOST DEFINITELY CAN’T BE TRUE.’

The Vatican Cult Ishtar-Goddes figure has her standards, ya know.

This is the era of rabbit hole realities.

Good is labeled evil.

Evil is labeled good.

Blindness is labeled enlightenment.

Studied enlightenment is labeled insanity.

Decades of expertise is trashed as ignorance.

Ignorance is exalted as superior knowledge.

Welcome to the Biblically predicted END TIMES.


433 posted on 07/30/2011 9:38:39 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: daniel1212; metmom

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


434 posted on 07/30/2011 9:49:25 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

You said, and I agree,

Welcome to the Biblically predicted END TIMES.


435 posted on 07/30/2011 10:53:55 AM PDT by Joya (Jesus is coming back. Something to look forward to, it is more than enough.)
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To: metmom

Well, it was not the first mom, but i am not going digging now.


436 posted on 07/31/2011 3:29:43 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: smvoice; Quix

Yet we must try. I like http://www.lineoffireradio.com/


437 posted on 07/31/2011 3:31:27 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: daniel1212; Quix
"Now the we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us; we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sins for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Cor. 5:20,21.

"(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.) 2 Cor. 6:2.

Amen and absolutely, Daniel! Until the day we are taken, we are to preach the gospel.

438 posted on 07/31/2011 3:49:09 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: daniel1212; smvoice

I believe there WILL be one last world wide revival . . . when the birth pangs become severe enough . . .

and

THEN

a great falling away.

Some areas are experiencing great revival now.

Yet, God has not BEGUN, much, to dramatically display HIS MAJESTY as HE WILL.

He is NOT ABOUT to let satan have the more dramatic supernatural demonstrations.

That’s NOT in the cards at all.

ALMIGHTY GOD WILL DEMONSTRATE HIS ALMIGHTY-NESS. And CHRIST WILL BE LIFTED UP AND DRAW ALL THOSE WHOSOEVER-WILL’S TO HIMSELF.

PRAISE GOD.


439 posted on 07/31/2011 5:07:28 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Palladin
Actually, here's a link for an evangelical who states that You have the mistaken notion that because you are a Catholic, you are a Christian as well...You don't have to go too far in the scripture to find out that that is not so...

so, that's what we hear on FR -- it's died down now but it was raging in 2009-2010

440 posted on 08/02/2011 10:24:01 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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