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“Sister Wives” clan to challenge constitutionality of Utah’s polygamy law (It's come to this)
Hotair ^ | 07/12/2011 | Allahpundit

Posted on 07/12/2011 8:17:26 PM PDT by EmpireStateConservative

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To: EmpireStateConservative
If the USSC follows its own precedents (i.e., if they don't chicken out), polygamy will unquestionably be ruled a constitutional right when this case is decided.

Any honest reading of Casey, Romer, and Lawrence can lead to no other conclusion.

41 posted on 07/13/2011 12:38:16 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In fact, it can be argued that POLYGAMY has a better historical precedent than gay marriage

It can be, and it will be.

42 posted on 07/13/2011 12:39:16 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: KittenClaws

Well, multi-tasking also involves setting priorities straight at the moment as well. If one knows exactly which front one is getting trashed on, make that front priority number one for the moment.


43 posted on 07/13/2011 12:40:43 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Dead Corpse
If my neighbor married his mom, how does that affect my marriage with my Wife? How would this have any impact on my faith at all?
Answer: It wouldn't.

My marriage is with my Wife. My faith is between me and my God.

Nothing more. Nothing less.


Would you be OK with my edit?

JM
44 posted on 07/13/2011 12:47:23 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: Morpheus2009
Again, see the whole "welfare fraud" part of my statement. I think welfare in and of itself should be ended. Private charities only.

With large amounts of freedom comes even larger amounts of personal responsibility and "mind your own business".

45 posted on 07/13/2011 1:20:10 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: JohnnyM
Ah Jeez... Why do some of you have to take a perfectly reasonable premise and try to muddy things by introducing idiotic straw-men?

Go sit in a corner...

46 posted on 07/13/2011 1:22:11 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Jim Noble

There is absolutely no reason that someone could consistently be for gay marriage and against polygamy.


47 posted on 07/13/2011 1:24:06 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: fightinJAG

Why aren’t the Libs embracing polygamy?

It’s easier to have a mistress to cheat on your wife with than to have multiple “spouses” who you have to incessantly support under the same roof. That’s why you see politicians such as Edwards and Schwarzenegger impregnating mistresses.


48 posted on 07/13/2011 1:38:54 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Dead Corpse
So you have no problen with polygamous marriage or gay marriage (possibly) but incestuous marriage is where you draw the line (at least thats how I interpret your non-answer).

The straw man here is claiming that recognizing these types of marriages effect my marriage or my faith. Of course they dont, and noone is arguing that. The real issue we have is that a society that institionalizes and blesses such "unions" weakens society and effects us all.

JM
49 posted on 07/13/2011 1:54:08 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: Pining_4_TX

The Saudi Royals have huge problem with genetic birth defects from so much cousin marrying cousin for so long...alot of them get treated at well known Los Angeles Hospital for various health issues due to this. Their dirtly little secret that of course no one talks about....


50 posted on 07/13/2011 2:01:40 PM PDT by FeliciaCat (I like my money where I can see it...hanging in my closet.)
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To: JohnnyM
...or gay marriage...

Again, you cannot deal with exactly what I said, so you feel you need to toss out straw-men and put words in my mouth.

Of course they dont, and noone is arguing that.

You just did...

The real issue we have is that a society that institionalizes and blesses such "unions" weakens society and effects us all.

The only one I cared about having "bless" my Marriage to my Wife was the God we both share a faith in. The State was an unwelcome interloper.

51 posted on 07/13/2011 2:11:55 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse
"You just did..."

Actually, I am not arguing that. I just edited your response to get your reaction, and it appeared that edit caused must consternation on your part.

So lets try another route. Are you OK with a society that permits incestuous marriages? Or put it another way, is it a viable role of government to outlaw such unions?

I'm just trying to understand your viewpoint here.

JM
52 posted on 07/13/2011 2:26:34 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: EmpireStateConservative

I don’t have an issue with polygamy as long as it is between consenting adults. I’ve seen this show and what these people have going on is a lot more “normal” than, probably, the majority of households in the US today.


53 posted on 07/13/2011 4:23:54 PM PDT by riri
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To: JohnnyM
I'm just trying to understand your viewpoint here.

Start from this premise: Why is government sanctioning marriage to begin with? Especially when everything government touches, it corrupts...

Would your Church allow such a perversion? If so, why are you a member of that church?

54 posted on 07/13/2011 4:45:49 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: riri

I don’t have an issue with polygamy as long as it is between consenting adults.

I would say something similar only I would add that the people involved should be funding their relationship out of their own pockets, not welfare money, not anything else. As far as polygamy goes, there shouldn’t be incentives to do it, and monogamy should be kept to the norm, as far as it is possible.


55 posted on 07/13/2011 4:57:33 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: P-Marlowe
Lawrence Vs. The State of Texas

We all saw it coming...

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

56 posted on 07/13/2011 4:59:56 PM PDT by expatguy (Donations make Expat Better!)
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To: Dead Corpse
If my neighbor has 4 wives, how does that affect my marriage with my Wife? How would this have any impact on my faith at all?

Answer: It wouldn't.

My marriage is with my Wife. My faith is between me and my God. Nothing more. Nothing less.

What about your children? Would you like them exposed to a weekend orgy fest next door? What if your neighbors are 5 gay men all married to each other? Would you like your children exposed to this? Maybe I assumed too much to assume your wife was female.

57 posted on 07/13/2011 5:24:08 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Dead Corpse

Start from this premise: Why is government sanctioning marriage to begin with? Especially when everything government touches, it corrupts...

Not so much sanctioning it as they are seeking a unit through which they can assign responsibility. For instance, think about divorce, the marriage part applies in a divorce, because arguments over the child’s custody have to do with the argued paternity of the child, who is married to who, etc. It also is a channel through which neglect of children is punished as well. You are the father or mother of a kid in the legal sense, so if the child shows signs of serious neglect, the responsibility is assigned through the legal contract. The real problem which amplified the issue is the fact that everyone wants some interpretation that caters to their own whims. The polygamists argue that they should be left alone, the gay rights lobby argues that everyone should treat theirs as an equal family unit while it is factually an exception, and plenty of people argue that all should be viewed the same. People, IMO, should be free to believe otherwise, and not have to worry about the state hounding how true to the political morality you are.


58 posted on 07/13/2011 5:33:09 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: broken_arrow1

I certainly assumed too much in thinking this could be discussed like adults.

Run along child...


59 posted on 07/13/2011 6:16:05 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse
I certainly assumed too much in thinking this could be discussed like adults.

Run along child...

You sir are an arrogant SOB! You think yourself a "gifted" intellectual and better capable of determine what is right for the masses? You tell us you can ignoring the moral decay of our society as long as you and your wife can close the curtains on the rest of society. Some of us want to have a stable country and trust in God's law as a basis for stability for our offspring and future generations.

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion.”

With these sober words, President John Adams warned that the U.S. Constitution will not be able to sustain our liberties if the American people abandon virtue and religion. Adams stated:

Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams was not alone in his opinion. This view was widely held by our Founding Fathers.

Good thing you were not around when our Founding Fathers were contemplating our country.

60 posted on 07/14/2011 3:30:16 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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