Clearly this isn't the case! How many prophets came to bring God's Word to His people after Sinai? The Wisdom of Solomon opened many eyes to the revelation of God through his poetry and Proverbs. As of Sinai, the story had been written as far as Exodus... why continue writing if there is no further revelation? Your position here is completely illogical and ahistorical.
Progressive revelation of the church is heresy.
Progressive revelation, as discussed above, is the only way it's ever been done!
There is not one verse in all of Jewish Scripture (OT) that says that messiah will end the law or do it for us.
In the time of the Messiah, all sacrifices would end... except for one; the Todah (Praise and Thanksgiving) offering. This means that the sacrifices of the Mosaic Law do come to an end in Jewish understanding. At no time did I say one word against the Law of God, nor would I say a word against the Law of Moses. You simply fail to see the distinction. The Law of Moses is Deuteronomy ("Second Law"). Where the Law of God was given by God Himself, the failure of the Israelites to keep the Covenant brought about a separation wherein God instructed Moses to give the Law to the people. This Deuteronomy ("Second Law") was man's law through Moses, yet in doing God's Will for His people. It was given to the Israelites to raise them up and train them for holiness. Yes, it elevates the physical things of this world to the spiritual... it was given so that the Israelites would stop yearning for their Egyptian idols and truly worship God.
No, miracles are NEVER specified as a means of identifying messiah ben David. What is?
The ingathering of the exiles... Israel is God's first-born among the nations. The exiles include all of mankind reconciled to God through the New Covenant. Don't forget that one of the promises to Abraham was that all the world would be blessed through his line. The Evangelists, Matthew and Luke, go to great pains to show Christ's lineage back to Abraham so the Jews could recognize the fulfillment of this promise.
World peace... God and man are reconciled. As the angels sang at the birth of Christ... "and peace to men of good will on Earth." The peace of Christ is our rebirth to the family life of God... our restoration of our heavenly inheritance. You make the same mistake as Jesus's contemporaries who only saw the Messiah through temporal eyes. The great peace the world lacked was its division from our Heavenly Father.
Universal knowledge of G-d... This knowledge has come into the world. Yet, our conversation shows that not all are willing to grasp its nature. You say that there is no progressive revelation of God... and yet, we wouldn't have universal knowledge of God until the Messiah came. You said there is no further revelation since Sinai and yet here you reference further revelation. I hope you can recognize the inconsistency! This has occurred!
the restoration of the Davidic line... King David was promised an everlasting dynasty and an Heir Who will rule forever. The only One Who possibly fulfills this promise is the everlasting Christ the King. He is called "Son of David" for a reason!
The rebuilding of the Temple... At the time that Christ walked the Earth, the Temple had been rebuilt. We take it a step further, though. You have to recognize what the Temple represented... it represented the Cosmos to the Jewish people. It was a physical representation of all things, right up to the Holy of Holies, God's Throne. After Christ, the veil was torn and the Temple destroyed. There is a new Heaven and new Earth indwelt by the Holy Spirit promised of Christ to His Church.
Restoration of the Priesthood and sacrifices... Do I even need to comment on this one from the Catholic perspective?
You listed out some of the basic tenets of the Catholic faith. We recognize our ancestors in Faith in the Jews. Those who remain Jewish today have failed to recognize the fulfillment of these promises in Christ.
My dear FRiend... I didnt say the canon closed at Sinai. Or that that prophets didnt have important things to relate to mankind, in particular, the success and failures of the Jewish people. What I said was, G-ds nature and Law were completed at Sinai. The Prophets and Writings give us no new Law or no new understanding of G-ds nature, essense, being. And up until about 30AD, ALL readers of the Tanach (OT) had zero thought of G-d being anything but as described in the Tanach. Deut 4:15, having NO FORM...with a warning...do not give Him a form of anykind, whether on Earth or in Heaven...
Progressive revelation, as discussed above, is the only way it's ever been done!
Yes, however, did Adam believe in one G-d? Noah? Abraham? Moses..David..Hezekiah...all the way to Malachi. One G-d. No physical being. Yes, there has been a progressive revelation of Law. Not of G-ds nature or essence. That it is why I can say with the utmost truth...the nature and law of G-d did not change after Sinai.
Remember...this is important...it was a national revelation. Not a blinding experience of one man on the road to Damascus. The entire nation experienced it. Why? Because that is when G-d Almighty gave the law...revealed Himself...in writing and spoke to them out of the fire....once for all time, to the entire population. It would not be subject to believing one persons so-called "vision"...because ALL saw it and ALL heard it. Never again after that has there EVER been a national revelation. The words of the law were given for ALL TIME. NEVER to change, never to be overthrown by a "law of messiah". Not one scripture says so.
In the time of the Messiah, all sacrifices would end
Please provide scriptural evidence. If this were true, the Jewish people would have been told in the Tanach (OT). It doesnt exist.
At no time did I say one word against the Law of God, nor would I say a word against the Law of Moses.
You said: "The Mosaic Law of Deuteronomy was a yolk placed on a stiff-necked people for their reproof."
That is just not true. The law was given as I mentioned before... FOR THE JEWS (Gentiles only seven laws of Noah) to fulfill a relationship with G-d, be light unto the nations, repair a sick world, fulfills G-ds purpose on earth, elevate the physical to the spiritual.
You havent provided one scripture that says the Mosaic law will be discarded leaving only a law of G-d. As I pointed out before even outside the Torah, it is stated the law is forever. Ps 111 and others.
Yes, the Jewish people have blown it under the law and perverted it. That is the message of the prophets! Especially the minor prophets....They were reformers who warned the Jewish people...of the consequences and sure enough we got got exiled big-time. But never...ever is there a replacement theology. On the contrary!
Ezek 36:22 “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.
24 “‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. 28 Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people, and I will be your God.
Likwise Isaiah Says:
2: 2 In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. 3 Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And Jeremiah says:
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress, My refuge in the day of affliction, The Gentiles shall come to You From the ends of the earth and say, “ Surely our fathers have inherited lies, Worthlessness and unprofitable things.” 20 Will a man make gods for himself, Which are not gods? 21 “ Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know My hand and My might; And they shall know that My name is the LORD
My name is the LORD, in Hebrew, "yud hey vav hey" the unspeakable name of G-d. HaShem---The Name. Not Jesus...Not the son of G-d...not the Trinity. The entire world will know that "yud hay vav hey" is it. Nothing else. Fini.
Nice chatting you BTW...
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The exiled would be Jewish...no other peoples are described as such. People have always had access to G-d through the Jewish scriptures. Gentiles through the covenant of Noah. The Mosaic covenant for Jews (or those wishing to convert). Through the children of Abraham the Jewish Scriptures were written and the people of the world blessed through them.
Both Matthew and Lukes lineages are fatally flawed. Matthew has him coming through the cursed King Jeconiah, whose children were forbidden to ever sit on the throne of David and be King. Luke has him coming through Nathan and not Solomon. The Davidic line has to go through Solomon. So both are fatally flawed. Not to mention, Tribal affiliation ONLY comes through the father. If Jesus had no biological father, he could not have ANY tribal affiliation. He can not get it from his mother or through adoption by his father.
World peace... God and man are reconciled.
World peace means no more wars. Are you saying Abraham was not reconciled? Moses? David? Hezekiah? Are you saying G-d set us up to fail? Gave us original sin, free will and then an impossible law to follow thereby needing to kill his human son (himself)(Human sacrifice is forbidden) to make things right? From the time of Adam to Jesus...we had no chance...the game was rigged? Does that also mean that all our forefathers would have gone to hell?
No, we have always had the ability to reconcile with G-d. Repent of what is evil and do good. Ezek 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
You say that there is no progressive revelation of God... and yet, we wouldn't have universal knowledge of God until the Messiah came. You said there is no further revelation since Sinai and yet here you reference further revelation. I hope you can recognize the inconsistency!
NOOOO...NO further revelation of G-ds NATURE or essence. There are muzzies, Christians, Mormons, Hindus etc etc. Universal knowlege of G-d means these faulty belief systems are dispensed with. As I posted last time. The Gentiles will recognize the errors they have been taught and know that "yud hey vav hey " is G-d and the only G-d...no god the son...no god the HS. Not inconsistent!
the restoration of the Davidic line... King David was promised an everlasting dynasty and an Heir Who will rule forever.
And will never LACK A MAN to sit on the throne of Israel, not a single heir.
Jer 33:17 For this is what the LORD says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel, 18 nor will the Levitical priests ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.’”
After Christ, the veil was torn and the Temple destroyed
There is no post biblical evidence of the veil being torn. Ezekiel 36 through 44 discusses the return of the Temple, Priesthood, Sacrifices. It is not metaphorical but real. Remember Isaiah 2:2
Restoration of the Priesthood and sacrifices... Do I even need to comment on this one from the Catholic perspective?
Well no...But suffice it to say A) Jesus can not be a priest. He is not of the tribe of Levi. He can not be a sacrifice...he is a human being.
[Deuteronomy 12:30-31] Take heed to thyself (Jewish people) that thou be not snared by following them (the pagans), after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Eternal thy God: for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Dont act like the pagans and do what is an abomination and what G-d hates! What is that? HUMAN SACRIFICE!
And we are expected to believe that G-d then says...Okay...I changed my mind...even though I forbid you from doing it...I will murder my own human son (actually kill myself, since I am him in the flesh)! I will then require you to believe it is okay! You are to believe JUST AS THE PAGANS that human sacrifice is effective....
NO! G-d forbid! G-d doesnt follow the ways of the pagans!