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To: pgyanke
The ingathering of the exiles... Israel is God's first-born among the nations. The exiles include all of mankind reconciled to God through the New Covenant. Don't forget that one of the promises to Abraham was that all the world would be blessed through his line. The Evangelists, Matthew and Luke, go to great pains to show Christ's lineage back to Abraham so the Jews could recognize the fulfillment of this promise.

Part 2...

The exiled would be Jewish...no other peoples are described as such. People have always had access to G-d through the Jewish scriptures. Gentiles through the covenant of Noah. The Mosaic covenant for Jews (or those wishing to convert). Through the children of Abraham the Jewish Scriptures were written and the people of the world blessed through them.

Both Matthew and Lukes lineages are fatally flawed. Matthew has him coming through the cursed King Jeconiah, whose children were forbidden to ever sit on the throne of David and be King. Luke has him coming through Nathan and not Solomon. The Davidic line has to go through Solomon. So both are fatally flawed. Not to mention, Tribal affiliation ONLY comes through the father. If Jesus had no biological father, he could not have ANY tribal affiliation. He can not get it from his mother or through adoption by his father.

World peace... God and man are reconciled.

World peace means no more wars. Are you saying Abraham was not reconciled? Moses? David? Hezekiah? Are you saying G-d set us up to fail? Gave us original sin, free will and then an impossible law to follow thereby needing to kill his human son (himself)(Human sacrifice is forbidden) to make things right? From the time of Adam to Jesus...we had no chance...the game was rigged? Does that also mean that all our forefathers would have gone to hell?

No, we have always had the ability to reconcile with G-d. Repent of what is evil and do good. Ezek 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

You say that there is no progressive revelation of God... and yet, we wouldn't have universal knowledge of God until the Messiah came. You said there is no further revelation since Sinai and yet here you reference further revelation. I hope you can recognize the inconsistency!

NOOOO...NO further revelation of G-ds NATURE or essence. There are muzzies, Christians, Mormons, Hindus etc etc. Universal knowlege of G-d means these faulty belief systems are dispensed with. As I posted last time. The Gentiles will recognize the errors they have been taught and know that "yud hey vav hey " is G-d and the only G-d...no god the son...no god the HS. Not inconsistent!

the restoration of the Davidic line... King David was promised an everlasting dynasty and an Heir Who will rule forever.

And will never LACK A MAN to sit on the throne of Israel, not a single heir.

Jer 33:17 For this is what the LORD says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel, 18 nor will the Levitical priests ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.’”

After Christ, the veil was torn and the Temple destroyed

There is no post biblical evidence of the veil being torn. Ezekiel 36 through 44 discusses the return of the Temple, Priesthood, Sacrifices. It is not metaphorical but real. Remember Isaiah 2:2

Restoration of the Priesthood and sacrifices... Do I even need to comment on this one from the Catholic perspective?

Well no...But suffice it to say A) Jesus can not be a priest. He is not of the tribe of Levi. He can not be a sacrifice...he is a human being.

[Deuteronomy 12:30-31] Take heed to thyself (Jewish people) that thou be not snared by following them (the pagans), after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Eternal thy God: for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

Dont act like the pagans and do what is an abomination and what G-d hates! What is that? HUMAN SACRIFICE!

And we are expected to believe that G-d then says...Okay...I changed my mind...even though I forbid you from doing it...I will murder my own human son (actually kill myself, since I am him in the flesh)! I will then require you to believe it is okay! You are to believe JUST AS THE PAGANS that human sacrifice is effective....

NO! G-d forbid! G-d doesnt follow the ways of the pagans!

135 posted on 07/12/2011 4:42:38 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960

Bear with me. I want to respond to you but it’s going to take time to do your challenge justice. I am having to do a great deal more research because I am limited to the Old Testament in my appeals to authority with you. It is much easier to handle challenges from fellow Christians from differing traditions because at least we have the New Testament in common where all of this is easily explained.

Out of respect, I don’t want to just give you a simple, slip-shod answer.


140 posted on 07/13/2011 2:34:22 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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