Minnesota Government Shuts Down as Budget Talks Fail

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[luvie]

Yep....unions!....the gift that keeps giving...to the union bosses, that is!

I guess Dayton needs to man up and govern! Think that will happen in your lifetime?

[Sal]

So do Democrats plan to just keep raising taxes until they take 100% if the income of the anyone who is a producer?

Certainly not! Because they are for fairness and equality they will not "just" keep raising taxes. They will certainly start tapping into the savings and investments of those unfair producers who stole that wealth from the people they employed and who willingly bought their services.

[luvie]

They can come to Texas. We are “millionaire friendly” which means we are business friendly here! :) No state income tax and lots of work to be had!

[American Quilter]

we need two tax systems in this country; one with higher rates for the liberals, and one with lower rates for conservatives. Since the liberal aholes want higher rates anyway, they should be happy with this. And, in return for our lower tax rates, we conservatives will agree to only participate in the bare minimum of government services. Most of the idiotically excessive governmental regulations will only apply to the liberals, and conservatives can opt out, thereby reducing the burden on the government.

Excellent ideas. If only we could implement them...

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

You are welcome.

[WOBBLY BOB]

Just go to a Staples or any office supply store - in the paper section they have business card stock (there will be a website addy to get the template to use and format your cards)

I put this on the front of the card:

How do I make a contribution to the U.S. government?
Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called “Gifts to the United States.” Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs. These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government.

And I put this on the back of the business card:

Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below.
Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

Just format it to fit in the sections on the business card template - or if you don’t want to buy the stock cards just check online and you’ll find the websites to configure business cards and make them on heavy paper

As I said, very fun and very educational...and people will stop arguing with you, and never talk to you again, because you one-upped them in real-time, they have to shut up - you called their BLUFF *snicker*

35 posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:23:37 PM by libertarian27

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

My apologies for mis-reading your valid point.

[daler]

I give it no later than noon today before the first Star & Sickle poll showing overwhelming support for Governor Dayton.

[relictele]

I don’t disagree with you except that those who are truly in need should not allow militants, socialists et al to do their bidding. In other words, the truly needy should oppose public unions, patronage, etc. the same way we do. But that usually isn’t the case.

By the same token, disabled persons and organizations are fond of talking about dignity, independence, etc. yet they allow themselves to be used as stage props by shameless politicians during every campaign. The best way to demonstrate such rugged individualism is to stay far away from these dog and pony shows.

[American Quilter]

Heehee! I like it.

[Carry_Okie]

I don’t disagree with you except that those who are truly in need should not allow militants, socialists et al to do their bidding. In other words, the truly needy should oppose public unions, patronage, etc. the same way we do. But that usually isn’t the case.

There is no "except," we both absolutely agree. It's what the Tenth Commandment was all about.

Every strength of a society originates with individual virtue. Self-control, charity, and faith preclude the need for police power. The Founders of this nation relied upon it. John Adams once warned,

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” ¬

When the Constitution was written, it was unthinkable that any government should be empowered to redistribute wealth. James Madison himself once said,

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Charity and benevolence were to be the exclusive province of the people and the SOLE means of dispensing public welfare. Churches and civic organizations were the principal means.

The biggest distinction between government welfare and private charity is clear: most of the “middle-men” in private charity are volunteers. The second important aspect of voluntary benevolence isn’t so obvious: Those on the receiving end have to ask for help, and possibly modify their behavior to get it.

That’s motivation in action. It builds a wealthier society. Lest anyone think that charity alone is inadequate, considering the alternative of a police empowered welfare state that CAUSES the problems it is supposed to solve, should be enough to convince them otherwise. Armed with an understanding of those mechanics, it shouldn’t be too difficult to convince a sufficient number of our friends, neighbors, co-workers, and customers that conservative government is their best choice for wealth and freedom. Let’s go get them on board.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

[Colonel_Flagg]

I give it no later than noon today before the first Star & Sickle poll showing overwhelming support for Governor Dayton.

This is why the Minnesota Poll exists. To oversample Democrats and provide a quasi-official propaganda arm for the DFL. The RedStar Tribune isn't changing anyone's minds this time.

[Colonel_Flagg]

But, of course, taxes will still be collected during the shutdown despite service not being provided.

http://www.startribune.com/local/blogs/124858329.html

[sand88]

Excellent post, a keeper. If what you have written was embraced across America, then our Republic would turn the tide against tyranny and towards Liberty.

It's a shame the corrosive tentacles of the welfare state has sapped the will of so many Americans.

[Carry_Okie]

It's a shame the corrosive tentacles of the welfare state has sapped the will of so many Americans.

It is a shame so few conservatives understand the principles well enough to articulate them.

[mwl8787]

My understanding is that the Legislature accommodated the governor’s request for more spending with a 13% increase but no tax increase; and Dayton is insisting a 24% spending increase along with a tax increase, as well.

This whole thing is being orchestrated by Obama as a trial run for next month. Just like the stunts in Wisconsin earlier in the spring.

[LiveFreeOrDie2001]

Freepers:

Make these calls and let ‘em know NOT to raise Taxes!!

Senate Majority Leader Amy Koch (R): 651-296-5981

House Majority Leader Kurt Zellers (R): 651-296-5502

Governor Mark Dayton (Dem): 651-201-3400

[Monorprise]

“LOL, this is the Democrats’ biggest fear - - the government shuts down and nobody notices except their “base” of bums, deadbeats, and parasites!”

When the State Government shuts down in most cases it will be a lot more noticeable then when the federal goverment shutsdown. Unlike the Federal Government most State Governments actually do more of the daly and necessary functions of Government.

[dools0007world]

We agree on one thing. Government is anti-charity. It wants to be the new God from whom all good blessings flow.

The only problem with that picture is that gov’t is not God and screws up most everything it touches.