How can they expect to be loved if they want people to respect our laws and constitution?
They are Soooooo behind the times!
Posted on 06/22/2011 6:11:26 AM PDT by Technoman
It has always been the big money people.... from the liberal NYC money people to the big business interests that have pushed for more immigration, no enforcement and amnesty for illegals. The hypocrisy is these groups work to punish Americans who buy pirated media and products but fully support employers using pirated labor.
Just apply the laws against being in the US illegally. They’ll leave on their own and pay their own way.
How can they expect to be loved if they want people to respect our laws and constitution?
They are Soooooo behind the times!
Here are my main arguments against amnesty with #3 being the worst long term:
1) We dont need any more low skilled employees with such high unemployment for low skilled labor.
2) Illegals offspring are entitled to lots of government aid that the illegal get as parents, Maryland just raised our taxes again to pay for illegals college tuition aid. How much would legalization cost taxpayers and how would it be funded ???(no not more taxes on the rich)
3) Long term legalized illegals who get government aid will even if they go to college see government as Daddy and feel a debt of loyalty to it, they view repaying that debt as willingness to have taxes raised on others that do better than them. Think I make this up?? I regularly meet immigrants in Maryland who got free college who tell me they feel exactly this way. Most of them dont have a clue about economics or history or care, they are liberal socialists who believe in economic social justice. This is what Democrats and progressives are REALLY up to and Mark Levin properly pointed it out years ago.
Obviously there is also the issue of giving those that break our laws a better deal than those that follow our immigration laws and wait to get their grean cards, that makes no sense.
Where is “Mima”?
No its only going to hurt the illegals who have been here sucking up the greatness of our country. Now its time for them to go back and live in and improve their own countries.
Hasta La Vista.
The hard fact is legalized or not, people like this cost us far more in social services than they will ever pay in taxes.
SO, they’ve broken Constitutional law by being here illegally, what do YOU propose? If they have no income, why would they choose to stay here? There are no jobs for them, they do not qualify for handouts because of lack of citizenship, and we don’t have the money to give handouts to OUR LEGAL citizens. Is the proposal that we just throw ourselves in the fire with them because their country chose to be a drug haven? We sent all of our industry and all our jobs to Mexico, and they still can’t make anything but mud bricks.
It it not an issue of so much that it wont work, it is that the talking heads and media elite DO NOT WANT IT TO WORK.
It is illegal to hire people who are here illegally and it is illegal for someone here illegally to work.
I say, what is it that is not understood about the word “illegal”? If a person is illegal or undocumented then they do not belong in this country and should be removed. We have a path now to legal entry into this country. Get in line, the US Congress limits how many people can enter the country each year. That limit can be raised or lowered by congress but not by some person in another country who thinks it is not high enough so they take the law into their own hands to better themselves. Bank robbers are only trying to better themselves.
I say go home and get in line.
If Americans won’t do the work then it must not need to be done. It is true that allowing “undocumented” workers to do menial labor lowers our prices at the grocery store, and I love low prices, if farmers want their crops harvested there are ways to get temporary workers from Mexico. We have done it for years until about 30 years ago when we started getting flooded by illegals.
Without cheap labor our industries will invent machines to do the work and make the products even cheaper.
Try being an illegal in Mexico. You will end up in jail for 6 months before being sent back across the border.
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“Sounds perfectly logical. But when you look into it a bit closer, you realize that, barring broader measures to solve the U.S. immigration mess, it may do more harm than good.
Critics of the bill say mandatory use of E-verify would badly hurt many industries, push undocumented immigrants further into the underground economy, and mistakenly cause many legal residents to lose their jobs because of the database’s mistakes.
Among their arguments:
• The E-Verify system is imperfect. The near absolute accuracy rate cited by Smith is misleading, because it only refers to verification of workers with legitimate documents. E-Verify fails to identify undocumented workers in 50 percent of the cases, because many of them present valid documents belonging to other people, critics say.
Also, the database often mistakenly flags Hispanics with common names, such as Perez or Rodriguez, because of identity confusion or inconsistencies in their various U.S. documents. Naturalized U.S. citizens are 32 times more likely to be erroneously flagged by the E-Verify system than U.S.-born citizens, according to the National Immigration Forum, a pro-immigration advocacy group.
• If E-Verify becomes law, many businesses that rely heavily on undocumented workers, such as Florida and California agricultural firms, would go out of business or move operations to other countries. The idea that millions of unemployed Americans would take the jobs of Mexican or Central American undocumented field hands is unrealistic. Few American workers are willing to work in back-breaking jobs harvesting oranges or vegetables under the sweltering sun for minimum pay.
• If E-Verify goes through the way it is, many employers would simply tell their undocumented workers: “I can’t have you on the books, so I’ll pay you off the books.’’ That would make undocumented workers even more vulnerable to exploitation, would drive down wages for both legal and illegal workers, and would cost the government a loss of more than $17 billion in revenue over the next 10 years, according to General Accounting Office estimates.
My opinion: E-Verify is a legitimate tool that could help solve the U.S. immigration crisis, but only if it is implemented alongside a path to legalization for undocumented workers who are willing to pay fines and learn English.
Otherwise, it will only help push millions of people further into the underground economy, and may cause thousands of legal residents — mostly Hispanics — to lose their jobs because of documentation mistakes.
Whoever thinks that millions of undocumented immigrants, many of whom have American children, would simply leave their families behind and go back to their home countries is either kidding himself, or is trying to take the rest of us down the dangerous road of blaming immigrants for the U.S. economic crisis.
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/19/2272187/plan-to-expel-illegal-immigrants.html#ixzz1Q0w0G2F0
Good summary of my points, the biggest one being that they (and their American citizen children) will politically support socialism over capitialism because socialism sounds simplier to understand.
4) After adding 10s of millions of leftist voters, how about the equivalent of Obama/Reid/Pelosi (or worse) in control forever, and after aging SCOTUS justices retire, an overwhelming majority of Kagan/Sotomayor plugins on the court?
I have heard libs suggesting amnesty without voting rights, i. e. for work only, which is bad enough, but I think they know that voting would inevitably follow.
Um, by putting a mechanism in place by which the Federal government can control whether or not you have a job.
Is that in the list of enumerated powers in the Constitution?
They keep trying to push this WE'LL MAKE EM PAY FINES crap becuase like every other piece of liberal b.s. out there, they have a waiver for that!!
And that's a good thing? Put bounties on them, with fines for false accusation and detainment, which IS Constitutional as a letter of marque (unlike E-Verify). In this job environment they'd be gone in a few months. With the protections in civil law for false arrest and imprisonment, there really isn't that much to worry about.
Oh, trust me, I’d like to see them loaded on trains and sent to the south of Mexico.
Just that it’s not going to happen, dammit. So, get them to self-deport by taking away the free food, medicine, housing and education. Totally.
Andres Oppenheimer needs to go to Meh-he-coh and send back reports on the immigration system there. While he’s at it he can Tweet back his impressions of Meh-he-coh’s narco-wars, which the illegals are beginning to bring into our country.
I’ll consider his whining about our puny attempts at immigration enforcement after he does that.
Immigration Patriots Divided Over Lamar Smith E-Verify Bill
By Washington Watcher
http://www.vdare.com/washington_watcher/110620_e_verify.htm
As I worried in my piece American Jobs For American Workers—No Compromise On E-Verify!, Judiciary chair Lamar Smith has indeed compromised with the Chamber of Commerce and included state preemption language to his otherwise-admirable Legal Workforce Act.
In exchange for support from the Chamber of Commerce, National Home Builders Association, and National Restaurant Association, Smith inserted Section 6 to the Legal Workforce Act. It states:
“PREEMPTION- The provisions of this section preempt any State or local law, ordinance, policy, or rule, including any criminal or civil fine or penalty structure, insofar as they may now or hereafter relate to the hiring, continued employment, or status verification for employment eligibility purposes, of unauthorized aliens. A State, locality, municipality, or political subdivision may exercise its authority over business licensing and similar laws as a penalty for failure to use the verification system described in subsection (d) to verify employment eligibility when and as required under subsection (b).”
In English, this means that a state can only take away a business license of an employer of illegal aliens if the Federal government finds it guilty first.
FAIR President Dan Stein lays out the obvious problem with “preemption”:
“E-Verify’s effectiveness depends upon the willingness of the administration to enforce the law…If this administration – or any future one – continues to obstruct immigration enforcement, states must retain the right to implement and enforce their own laws that sanction employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens. The ideal bill mandates E-Verify nationally while allowing states to retain the right to enforce the law and protect their citizens.”
Still, FAIR seems to more or less support the Smith bill. But other immigration patriots have come out strongly against it.
Congressman Lou Barletta,(R Pennsylvania) and (NumbersUSA grade A) - after fighting the American Civil Liberties Union in court for over five years to uphold the Hazleton Illegal Immigration Relief Act, and finally winning less than two weeks ago, is not keen now to see the law nullified. He is vowing to lead the fight against it in Congress. He says:
“The federal government knows the states and cities will enforce the law because they’re the ones bearing the brunt of illegal immigration, and the American people know the federal government won’t enforce its own immigration laws. The Legal Workforce Act is a slap in the face of states like Arizona; Georgia; and Alabama; and cities like Hazleton, Pennsylvania; Valley Park, Missouri; and Fremont, Nebraska. The Legal Workforce Act pretends to solve the problem of illegal immigration, but in reality it will make it worse. I strongly oppose the Legal Workforce Act, and I’m encouraging my colleagues to do the same. This bill must be stopped.”
Continued with links at http://www.vdare.com/washington_watcher/110620_e_verify.htm
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