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Pima County sheriff releases Guerena search warrant documents
Fox11AZ.com ^ | June 3, 2011 | Fox11AZ

Posted on 06/03/2011 12:33:11 PM PDT by Fido969

Thursday they released hundreds of pages of search warrant documents, with a few lines redacted, but giving a much clearer picture of what led authorities to the Guerena home.

(Excerpt) Read more at fox11az.com ...


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Looks like he visted his brother's house a few times, was in a truck that was carring plastic wrap, and he and his relatives had a bunch of junky cars.

Anyone have a link to the warrant?

1 posted on 06/03/2011 12:33:20 PM PDT by Fido969
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No link ~ it'll appear eventually ~ but it sounds like the Sheriff had a few clues but nothing definitive.

Sounds like this guy could have chosen better family members and friends, but not everybody is lucky.

2 posted on 06/03/2011 12:44:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Anyone have a link to the warrant?

http://www.kvoa.com/files/Scanned%20Document0582_000.pdf

3 posted on 06/03/2011 12:45:57 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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IN this area the drug dealers have REALLY NICE CARS,the poor working slobs have the junky cars.


4 posted on 06/03/2011 12:52:13 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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Just to be clear, this Sheriff didn’t have a choice. The warrant was ultimately going to be made public... no if’s, no maybe’s, no buts.


5 posted on 06/03/2011 12:52:39 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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Just to be clear, this Sheriff didn’t have a choice. The warrant was ultimately going to be made public... no if’s, no maybe’s, no buts.


6 posted on 06/03/2011 12:52:42 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Yo-Yo

That is not a executed warrant, no date or signature.


7 posted on 06/03/2011 12:58:38 PM PDT by Ratman83
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The warrant is boilerplate bullshiite. The redacted part is the heart of the matter. Dupnik (a great name for an anus) and the allied PDs were going on the word of an informant. 20-month investigation, and they went on the word of an informant, and as Tony Soprano' lawyer would say, "they got nuthin."

Since no one has been charged, I want to know what happened to the $94,000 in cash taken from Celaya's property. That's the way these Sheriff's Departments make their money: above and below the table.

The civil suit lawyers must be watering at the mouth waiting to get this to court. $1 million in damages,$5 million in punitive damages. Slam and Dunk Dupnik. Dump the bastard. Governor can put state police in charge, name a new Sheriff , or call a special election.

This county is heavily inhabited by left-wing ani, centered (naturally) around the U, where many students are, I am sure, registered illegally, as are the illegal aliens to whom they feel so spiritually close.

8 posted on 06/03/2011 1:02:15 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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The warrant says that Jose had registered six vehicles, but I only see 4 actually described on the “list of known vehicles associated with the organization”; a 2010 F150, that was actually used by his brother, and Jose was using a ‘07 3/4 pickup, and an ‘05 Chevy sedan, plus he had a ‘96 diesel vehicle. Maybe he has a dirt bike or something.

Looks to me like this guys only association with the “crime ring” was his brother, who he visited on occasion. The arrest was in a car with three other people where there marijuana and guns, but none could apparently be connected to Jose. There were no drugs in Jose's house, so it is doubtful he was a drug user. The “arrest” was just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, as was being in a truck that was carrying saran wrap.

I don't see enough to get a warrant out on this guy.

9 posted on 06/03/2011 1:07:24 PM PDT by Fido969
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On a Friday afternoon. No surprise there.


10 posted on 06/03/2011 1:12:04 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Socialism works great until capitalism hits a rough spot)
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It’s pretty clear his older brother was a dealer and that he allowed his brother to register vehicles in his name, probably to protect them from asset forfeiture.

In the end, he couldn’t escape his family’s business.


11 posted on 06/03/2011 1:14:44 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("No clever arrangement of bad eggs ever made a good omelet." ~ C.S. Lewis)
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Wow... a few people in this thread have no idea what probable cause is. It is not a high standard to meet. The warrant describes in a fair amount of detail, activity that a neutral detached magistrate determined met the probable cause standard. The warrant describes with particularity the things that were to be searched and seized.

The fact that libertines want the Fourth Amendment to require proof “beyond a reasonable doubt” does not mean that it does. The fact that libertines want there to be NO SEARCHES EVER (unless of course it is a search involving an “evil muzzie” (TM) or other folks that they don’t like) does not mean that the Fourth Amendment reads in that manner.

The guy here played a stupid game, and he won a stupid prize.


12 posted on 06/03/2011 1:46:56 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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The guy here played a stupid game, and he won a stupid prize.

That has to rank top five in the alltime most ignorant post ever list

PS Do you have any tips on getting a great shine in a pair of black boots?

13 posted on 06/03/2011 2:00:06 PM PDT by winodog
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Look, I live in the deep in the country, where women are men, and teeth are optional. We’re God’s people here.

And, so help me, you wouldn’t have to go far to meet some slob who was owed child support or back taxes and was driving a car registered to his father, brother, wife or sister. Blood’s thicker than water.

Doesn’t mean you need to gun down the whole crew.


14 posted on 06/03/2011 2:02:47 PM PDT by Fido969
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Sounds like this guy could have chosen better family members

About the size of it.

15 posted on 06/03/2011 2:05:02 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: winodog

Typical response from the libertine crowd. At least get a new talking point. Internet memes get old real fast.


16 posted on 06/03/2011 2:21:18 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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The warrant describes with particularity the things that were to be searched and seized.

Right. Too bad they got Jose Guerena's address wrong in the warrant.

It's obvious his brother's a schlep. Even if the 2010 Ford is registered to Jose it doesn't shield the asset from forfeiture as his brother has regular use of it. I'm sure Alejandro is aware of that.

Jose had no criminal record, he had a decent income, plus the good money he got for two combat tours.

17 posted on 06/03/2011 2:23:21 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Socialism works great until capitalism hits a rough spot)
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they got Jose Guerena's address wrong in the warrant.

Hey, great police work all around.

18 posted on 06/03/2011 2:26:39 PM PDT by Fido969
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They didn’t gun down the whole crew, they gunned down a non member or a tertiary member at best.

I get the point that people help family members evade the letter of the law. My point is that it can boomerang and this guy paid with his life for doing favors for his brother.

This happens to people with Italian and Sicilian surnames too. It’s a predictable facet of tragedy that the innocent pay for the faults of the guilty.

I think they wrote a Bible about this, come to think of it.


19 posted on 06/03/2011 2:30:00 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("No clever arrangement of bad eggs ever made a good omelet." ~ C.S. Lewis)
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Jose had no criminal record

Actually he had an arrest record, but no felony convictions. It's in the warrant.

20 posted on 06/03/2011 2:33:13 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("No clever arrangement of bad eggs ever made a good omelet." ~ C.S. Lewis)
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