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Druggist in OKC is convicted of murder (shot robber)
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=14&articleid=20110527_222_A15_CUTLIN912500 ^

Posted on 05/28/2011 11:54:51 PM PDT by TigerClaws

OKLAHOMA CITY - An emotional jury decided Thursday that pharmacist Jerome Jay Ersland is guilty of first-degree murder for fatally shooting a masked robber two years ago in an Oklahoma City drugstore.

Jurors recommended life in prison as punishment.

Two co-workers at Reliable Discount Pharmacy told jurors that Ersland was a hero who saved their lives on May 19, 2009.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=14&articleid=20110527_222_A15_CUTLIN912500

(Excerpt) Read more at tulsaworld.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; ersland; robbery; selfdefense
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To: Eaker

It doesn’t matter what was in his hands.

He could have had the biggest and baddest gun in all of the Southeastern United States.

Irrelevant.

The kid was in no position to use it, which is why the state attorney was able to prosecute the pharmacist.

It was the pharmacist who broke the law at that moment.


361 posted on 05/29/2011 11:55:22 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30
You cannot kill somebody, under Oklahoma law, when they are no longer in position to harm you.

Why then were you stating that you cannot shoot someone in the back or if they are prone? Why didn't you say this the first time?

Are you going to keep making crap up as you go? Are you going to keep changing your story?

According to your "logic" O.J. is indeed innocent.

362 posted on 05/30/2011 12:02:43 AM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Eaker

Actually, I never said that you couldn’t shoot them in the back.

I said, you couldn’t shoot them prone. Those were the words straight from the state attorney.


363 posted on 05/30/2011 12:05:12 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30
Trying to soften his image by calling him a "kid" is a ploy used by liberal failures.

Repeatedly calling him "kid" is only making you look stupider.

364 posted on 05/30/2011 12:06:50 AM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Jonty30
I've already mentioned the 1984 Goetz case since there are some parallels to the matter under discussion in this thread

Then there there's the Rodney King case of March 1991 which also entails a videotaped record of the events. Like Ersland, controversy (and days of riots) arose because of the contention that the LAPD continued to subdue the perp (King) after he was (allegedly) brought under control.

1). Do you see any similarities between the King/LAPD case and that of Parker/Ersland?

2). Do you think the LAPD engaged in excessive force as was charged? And what did you think of the acquittal of the police officers by the Ventura County jury?

365 posted on 05/30/2011 12:07:45 AM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Jonty30
Actually, I never said that you couldn’t shoot them in the back.

Actually liar you did. See post# 23.

To: Oculus III

I’m not saying don’t kill.

I am saying that you cannot kill somebody who is incapacitated and you cannot shoot them in the back either.

The pharmacist should have known better, because he’s had a bit of medical training that a good medical examiner has a pretty good idead when a wound is fatal and when it is not.

23 posted on Sunday, May 29, 2011 2:36:30 AM by Jonty30

366 posted on 05/30/2011 12:17:56 AM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Eaker

Then I humbly withdraw that part of my statement. I had forgotten I had wrote that and I don’t have the ability to look over the entire thread because I’m working off my Blackberry.

And don’t call me a liar, if you don’t know if that is my intent. I don’t have a need to lie and I don’t mind being corrected where I’m factually wrong.


367 posted on 05/30/2011 12:31:51 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

That comment was why I first posted on this thread to let you know that you didn’t know what you were talking about.

Funny that you would forget that.


368 posted on 05/30/2011 12:38:57 AM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Eaker

It was at least 24 hours ago, since I posted it and I don’t have a quick search function on my Blackberry.

If I were to try and read more than a couple of posts ago, I’d be spending my entire day looking for a single post.


369 posted on 05/30/2011 12:49:27 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

Well we haven’t agreed on much but at least we can possibly agree that we have beaten this horse to death.

Goodnight.


370 posted on 05/30/2011 12:55:52 AM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Star Traveler

Sorry. I disagree with you entirely. Stand on my original statement and sorry apologists for criminals on this thread don’t see it that way. You are welcome to your opinion as I am through with this thread.


371 posted on 05/30/2011 12:59:05 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: re_nortex

He shot 5 mooks and was acquitted of all attempted murder charges except for possession of unregistered firearm. He served a couple of months out of a one year misdemeanor penalty.

Said mooks took him to civil court and were awarded $50 million for grievous bodily injury, severe emotional distress, loss of consortium and livelyhood. No joke, the mooks got $’s because they could ply their trade: being mooks.

Goetz filed for bankruptcy. Subsequently he attempted to have the judgement against him vacated. His motion was dismissed. At this time he’s destitute.


372 posted on 05/30/2011 1:22:47 AM PDT by raygun
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To: raygun
He shot 5 mooks and was acquitted of all attempted murder charges except for possession of unregistered firearm. He served a couple of months out of a one year misdemeanor penalty.

This 2004 interview by Nancy Grace (on CNN) with Bernhard Goetz is of interest. One highlight is this comment by Goetz:

"They could have or probably would have beaten the crap out of me. And I would rather shoot all four of them than even have them get a little -- the people should not take crap from other people."

373 posted on 05/30/2011 1:46:18 AM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

I agree one hundred 100% with the guy. The prollem as I see it, is the Castle Doctrine is not the universal law of the land.


374 posted on 05/30/2011 5:00:30 PM PDT by raygun
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