Posted on 05/28/2011 1:49:58 AM PDT by petitfour
Records released by the Pima County Sheriff's Department this week show that the four houses served with search warrants the morning of May 5 - when Jose Guerena was shot and killed by a SWAT team - are less than four miles apart and are all connected to the Guerena family.
And while initial reports were that doctors told the Guerena family that Jose had been shot 60 times, the Pima County medical examiner's preliminary report says he was shot 22 times. In its sole briefing on the incident, the Sheriff's Department said SWAT team members fired 71 rounds.
Aside from releasing more than 500 pages of documents about the incident, the department has remained mum since the May 10 briefing.
The raid netted drugs, large amounts of cash, bulletproof vests, about 30 cellphones and a stolen vehicle, records show, but no arrests have been made.
(Excerpt) Read more at azstarnet.com ...
Yep. One of the oldest tactics in the book is to detain someone away from home “for questioning” and serving a search warrant on the home while no one is there. Unless of course they wanted to murder someone, as this case indicates.
Even if there WAS a bag of pot in the house, that can’t be much more serious than creeping a stop sign or not quite making it through a yellow traffic light before it turns red. How long before these offenses will be responded to by firing squad as well?
lol post 79.
and post 81
Multiply reported during the the first week of reporting.
There also were eyewitness testimonials of coworkers who had shared the same shift in the mine with the Marine, indicating he was a man with virtue.
If they did find drugs in his place, then a more significant consequence is that junior grade patriots who virtuously oppose illegal drug operations and even have placed their lives on the line enforcing the War on Drugs, are now being found to have turned 180 degrees in their thinking and behavior.
If true, that doesn’t come from their Marine Corps training, but might be a consequence of serving under threats of deadly force, while US policy and Rules of Engagement prohibit them from enforcing the law or even promote the same activities they are supposed to be fighting. If Obama prohibits Marines from destroying Opium crops in Afghanistan and lower ranking Marines are exposed to covert ops which promote drug cartel operations, don’t be surprised if some of them decide to abandon ship and work the same industry Obama and the Democrats promote.
IMHO, we don’t know all the story, probably never will,...but it is obvious to me that the SWAT raid was improperly directed, planned, and executed, casting even more doubt on the veracity of those with authority and jurisdiction in the matter. The SWAT team strikes me as being led by perhaps a mediocre Corporal who attempted to perform his duties from the information provided him, who had trust in his seniors.
It also appears the situation was begun by a lead member of their team tripping on his own feet, falling down, perhaps discharging a weapon and his shield may have reflected light into a dark hallway and glinted off something, mistakenly perceived by his team as hostile fire.
They weren’t all fully in place and organized, focused on every action when they first went in. They were rushing to disembark and get to the door, and in the rush to perform numerous subtasks, no wherewithal appears to have been exercised.
Can’t say as to guilt or innocence of the victim/suspect. Presumed innocent and he should have his rights to defend his home and family also respected.
A conditioned response acquired from the television and movies. Reinforced by poor training.
IIRC the standard issue M16A2 rifle is three round burst, you have to make an effort to keep pulling the trigger. Are they using the full auto version? Why?
Not sure about them, but posters who hijack a thread by blurting out vapid stupidity can be somewhat scummy.
That is your 'round-about way of saying "no, I can't find any posts where people have said there is a 'presumption of guilt due to being a police officer.'"
Neither of those posts supports your hyperbole. If you can’t make the point save yourself the embarrassment of pretending to.
You mean like "your presumption of guilt" concerning the mineworker/marine?
In all of the stories we've read thus far, there hasn't been ONE SINGLE SHRED of evidence that he was doing anything criminal or even wrong.
Yet moe-moes like you still come in here and prattle on defending the pathetic goons that blew him away.
They just sprayed.
He is a troll.
Ignore.
Don’t feed the trolls and they will go away.
I’ll try. That one is a particularly obnoxious troll.
The "evidence" was the fact that he had a brother who was known to the police. As others have noted, no effort was made to check out this particular guy on his own... they could have picked him up at work. Indeed, they could have figured out he was probably not a threat of violence, but they took the shortcut of assuming he was involved in the same activities as his brother.
Thank you for supporting the particularly lame mentality of “truther,” “birther,” “bush-bot,” “palin-bot” etc, etc, method of avoiding having to think to debate by character assassination instead. /s
A large amount of cash and and a “bag”(baggie?lawn bag?) in one house.
“and there will be more to why they raided the house than these article indicate.”
Still no reason for a SWAT assault! Wait until the guy goes to work, serve the search warrant on his wife. Send a squad car for him at work, if necessary. There was no good reason for a SWAT raid. None whatsoever.
I confess I have not been following this story closely. However, I had the impression this was another “oops, wrong house” SWAT raid. That apparently wasn’t the case.
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