All four homes in raid tied to Guerena family

Arizona Daily Star ^ | 6/28/2011 | Fernanda Echavarri

[petitfour]

Records released by the Pima County Sheriff's Department this week show that the four houses served with search warrants the morning of May 5 - when Jose Guerena was shot and killed by a SWAT team - are less than four miles apart and are all connected to the Guerena family.

And while initial reports were that doctors told the Guerena family that Jose had been shot 60 times, the Pima County medical examiner's preliminary report says he was shot 22 times. In its sole briefing on the incident, the Sheriff's Department said SWAT team members fired 71 rounds.

Aside from releasing more than 500 pages of documents about the incident, the department has remained mum since the May 10 briefing.

The raid netted drugs, large amounts of cash, bulletproof vests, about 30 cellphones and a stolen vehicle, records show, but no arrests have been made.

[Paladin2]

"where it has been proven that Cops lied."

I have some personal experience with that (in a court room). I now strongly recommend viewing:

Don't talk to Cops.

[Paul R.]

Apparently you missed my post, so I will repost, verbatim:

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(All) Normally I would not cross-thread, but this seems to be a special instance.

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Well now “B_F”. Speaking of how people look. How about your posts over here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2725824/posts?q=1&;page=101

You: “I noticed more than a few people in several threads over the past few days on this topic openly wish Death on me.”

And my request (subsequently repeated by others): “Please document this for us and also report it to the Mods, documenting that to us too. I am sure appropriate action will be taken. There is no place on FR for anything even approaching a threat of any sort.”

To which of course there has been no answer. But you’ve been on this thread, blathering away, many hours later.

As was said on Babylon 5 “You can run, but you can’t hide.”

Cheers!

[Paul R.]

Since I brought up this question - thank you!

[2nd amendment mama]

I didn’t realize that you had brought this up or I would have pinged you to it. You’re quite welcome.

[Paul R.]

Thanks - I’ll take a look. And, I don’t do Facebook, but my wife does, so maybe she can find something there.

I keep thinking that the media would have interviewed more of the people who knew Jose Guerena, and maybe they did early on, but at that time we were dealing with (repeated) storm damage and then floods and then more storm damage around here. :-(

In general, I’m surprised that the media has not done more digging, or that the national media has not taken note, but maybe they are politically allied with the Sheriff? (That’s a question, not an accusation.)

[Paul R.]

No problem!

[Hieronymus]

Do you have a link to the Atlanta story?

[Talisker]

It's time for a harder look at paramilitary LE teams in America. I understand that LEOs have a hard and thankless job, but their safety is less important than American freedom. You may feel that the cops are getting a bad rap here, but it's blowback. Conservatives trust cops more than anyone, but when cops prove themselves unworthy of that trust, the backlash is that much harder.

Absolutely freeking excellent! Thank you for your service in the military. And thank you for your continued service through online posts, by your reasoned, focused and forceful defenses of the principles of our unique and precious freedoms, against statist shills and knuckledragging thugs.

[petitfour]

surprisingly, they have done more than usual though it is not enough. They do have limited budgets, and there are always mundane stories to cover like graduations and car wrecks and the same weather every day (it’s tucson, and it’s HOT and DRY except for one time of the year when it’s HOT and wet.) and other dead bodies. This story started out as a heroic SWAT team kills bad drug dude in quiet neighborhood. I thought that was a good thing. A week later, the story changed. Yes, the reason the story changed is because the family started complaining that the victim was a war hero, dad, hard worker, etc. The sheriff’s department released the little bit about how the victim never fired a shot. That was huge to this wife and mom who drove by that house and saw those bullet holes just down the street from a house my children had slept in and another house their baseball coach had lived in. We know lots of families in that quiet neighborhood. We see sheriff’s deputies around there all the time. That’s a good thing considering this is a “drug corridor” and frequented by illegals on their way to life elsewhere. There’s a lot of Border Patrol presence as well.

I have posted as many news stories as I see (and that aren’t already posted) on this subject. I believe the exposure has caused the media to ask more questions than they would normally. This is such a big deal to my husband that he has wanted to pull out his journalist credentials and go after the truth whatever that may be.

[Paul R.]

That goes back some time - actually it was “reminded” to me by someone I know, who is usually pretty reliable. I’ll try to see if he has a link.

[grey_whiskers]

SNIFF

[Paul R.]

Thanks for the additional background. And your husband is right - the truth needs to come out, whatever it may be.

[2nd amendment mama]

Correction....Meant to say that Lon Horiuchi murdered Randy Weaver’s wife...

[Paul R.]

Ok, according to Wikipedia, the part about a SWAT officer being killed is an exaggeration, but apparently one or more officers WERE hit by fire from someone. Considering the amount of coverup that went on, one wonders if all the “truth” was discovered, but, in a way, the Wikipedia info. makes the whole thing worse, much worse, in fact. The grandmother may have only been firing a warning shot. And in terms of planted evidence and such - oh, my goodness. There are a whole lot of people on this thread who should read / research this story before they say one more blankity-blank stupid thing!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting

[Paul R.]

BTW, even if you’ve been making good / reasonable arguments, if you are not fully familiar with the Atlanta story, at least read the Wikipedia article. It’s almost unbelievable, and I’m about to be even more ill than I was.

:-(

[2nd amendment mama]

See post #272 on this thread....there’s a link there

[2nd amendment mama]

Kathryn Johnston Shooting

[Ken H]

Had she lived in Indiana, and survived the attack, she would basically have no legal defense against a charge of attempted murder.

[Ken H]

Had she lived in Indiana, and survived the attack, she would basically have no legal defense against a charge of attempted murder.

Let me revise that. Her only defense would be that she did not know they were police when she fired her gun.

That wouldn't help her out, though, because the police had their lights and siren going, they knocked politely for 5 minutes before going in, and they all heard Mrs. Johnson yell, "Get out of here! I hate the police!" as she aimed and fired.

[Paul R.]

One last thought (besides “I gotta get some sleep!”)

With all this said, I do accept the possibility that Jose Guerena may have been involved in some bad stuff, perhaps some very bad stuff. The most damning thing I’ve seen so far is a comment on TV by his wife that he’d go out with his brother and tell her she didn’t need to know what they were up to. I cannot imagine saying something like that to my wife. That in conjunction with several other things does lead me to think the search warrant itself was probably justified. It’s the serving of warrants in this manner, by hair-trigger SWAT teams, that seems un-necessary and over the top, needlessly endangering bystanders (in this case the wife and child, and possibly neighbors too), and the police themselves.