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Did William Wallace Aspire to be King of Scotland?
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| 5-18-2011
Posted on 05/19/2011 11:45:14 AM PDT by Renfield
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posted on
05/19/2011 11:45:17 AM PDT
by
Renfield
To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
05/19/2011 11:45:55 AM PDT
by
Renfield
(Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
To: Renfield
Let me be the first to say it...FRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDOMMMMMMM!!!!!!!
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posted on
05/19/2011 11:51:32 AM PDT
by
Azzurri
To: Renfield
"...throughout Scotland had falsely sought to call himself king of Scotland.”..... Sure he did Longshanks.
And Jesus called himself King of The Jews too you know.
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posted on
05/19/2011 11:51:40 AM PDT
by
Bloody Sam Roberts
(A "Moderate Muslim"? Nothing more than a Muslim Extremist who has run out of ammo.)
To: Renfield
Scots, wha hae wi’ Wallace bled ...
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posted on
05/19/2011 11:52:11 AM PDT
by
QBFimi
(When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
To: Renfield
I read a book earlier this year called the Wallace Book. It discussed who Wallace was, was he a commoner or noble blood, was the sword at the monument in Stirling really his, etc.
At lease one article in the book put forth the argument that he could very well have been a criminal the way we think of them (in addition to fighting the English).
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posted on
05/19/2011 11:54:45 AM PDT
by
sauropod
(The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
To: sauropod
To: Renfield
BTW, I went to that monument last November. Impressive place. Placed on the Abby Craig, it overlooks the town of Stirling.
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posted on
05/19/2011 12:00:31 PM PDT
by
sauropod
(The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
To: sauropod
Most of the nobility of the time were criminals by today’s standards.
There were pretty much two ways to make a living, at the time.
Grow stuff, or extort stuff from the people who grew it.
The nobility specialized in the second.
To: Sherman Logan
The nobility specialized in the second. Things haven't changed a whole hell of a lot in 706 years.
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posted on
05/19/2011 12:17:35 PM PDT
by
Bloody Sam Roberts
(A "Moderate Muslim"? Nothing more than a Muslim Extremist who has run out of ammo.)
To: Sherman Logan
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posted on
05/19/2011 12:18:46 PM PDT
by
bgill
(Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
To: Renfield
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posted on
05/19/2011 12:28:59 PM PDT
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
To: Sherman Logan
Cattle rustling was a way of life in the Scottish border region during the medieval period (see Sir Walter Scott's fabulous
Tales of a Scottish Grandfather series of books for gripping accounts of this activity).
One of the reasons that Scots made such good warriors was that they were constantly occupied with either stealing cattle, or tracking down and disembowling their neighbors for the crime of same. Generations of such activity breed hard men.
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posted on
05/19/2011 12:30:20 PM PDT
by
Renfield
(Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
To: Sherman Logan
Years ago, I was crwling around the graduate stacks at the University of Michagan, looking for a map - believe me, this was before google earth.
Anyway, I came across a book that listed my last European ancestor (I tend to get distracted in libraries. Or reading the dictionary, for that matter).
He was described as a “Baronial Ruffian.”
That made me laugh.
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posted on
05/19/2011 12:37:48 PM PDT
by
patton
(I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
To: Bigg Red
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posted on
05/19/2011 12:46:59 PM PDT
by
Bigg Red
(Palin in 2012)
To: Renfield
To be fair, the English borderers were every bit as tough.
Several centuries of exciting but pointless bloodshed.
A very disproportionate percentage of those who came to America came from one or the other side of the Border. Directly or via a stop in Ireland.
To: Renfield
I liked it when Edward threw his gay son’s lover out the window.
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posted on
05/19/2011 1:08:48 PM PDT
by
Deb
(Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
To: Renfield
Roy Roy MacGregor being one. Hardy soul, cattle rustler, sort of a Robin Hood type, though. It’s hard to be noble when you’re starving.
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posted on
05/19/2011 1:16:40 PM PDT
by
kiltie65
To: Deb
Ed was a pretty tough cookie himself.
To: Sherman Logan
Even though I’m a Scot (Nisbet/Cabeen), I’ve always had a soft spot in my heart for Edward Longshanks.
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posted on
05/19/2011 1:45:10 PM PDT
by
Deb
(Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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