To: Alex Murphy
423 posted on
05/05/2011 8:49:54 PM PDT by
daniel1212
( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
To: daniel1212; Alex Murphy
There are new directions being found, new interpretations everyday.
Each new bunch of Reformatters reformats the old.
- You have the first generation namely Lutheran sticking close to orthodoxy with the Lutherans holding to the True Presence in the Eucharist, to Baptismal regeneration etc.
- Generation 2: Then you have the Calvin-Zwingli crowd rejecting these two as well as other aspects of orthodoxy
- Generation 3: Knox and the Anglican compromise
- Generation 4: The Unitarians like Michael Servetus who went from being Catholic to Lutheran to Reformed to denying the Trinity.
- Generation 5: the Baptists who now rejected infant baptism (quite unlike their namesakes the Anabaptists (now called Mennonites)) and said that there was a great Apostasy in the first centuries of Christendom (Gen 1-3 took later centuries as the dates of their "Great Apostasy")
- Generation 6: the Restorationists at the Great Awakening, like
- The Millerites, to become the Seventh DayAdventists -- with Ellen G White saying that Jesus was the same as the Archangel Michael and that Satan woudl take the sins of the world at the end of time and other beauties. They came up with their own version of the Bible
- The Unitarians and Universalists -- reborn and reinvigorated by this reformatting, they tossed out the Trinity and eventually they end up as they are today where they believe in nothing
- Jehovah's Witnesses: they tossed out the Trinity too and came up with their own version of the Bible
- The Mormons: they took the Trinity and made it three gods. They too came up with their own version of the Bible
- Generation 7: the Orthodo Presbyterian C, the FourSquare Ahoy! Pentecostalists, the Raelians, the Branch Davidians, the Creflo-Dollar crowd, the Jesse Dupantis (I went to visit Jesus in heaven and comforted Him) etc -- one step further beyond generation 6
- Generation 8: ... any one of the thousands of new sects formed since 1990
424 posted on
05/06/2011 6:49:54 AM PDT by
Cronos
(Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
To: daniel1212; Alex Murphy
There are new directions being found, new interpretations everyday.
Each new bunch of Reformatters reformats the old.
- You have the first generation namely Lutheran sticking close to orthodoxy with the Lutherans holding to the True Presence in the Eucharist, to Baptismal regeneration etc.
- Generation 2: Then you have the Calvin-Zwingli crowd rejecting these two as well as other aspects of orthodoxy
- Generation 3: Knox and the Anglican compromise
- Generation 4: The Unitarians like Michael Servetus who went from being Catholic to Lutheran to Reformed to denying the Trinity.
- Generation 5: the Baptists who now rejected infant baptism (quite unlike their namesakes the Anabaptists (now called Mennonites)) and said that there was a great Apostasy in the first centuries of Christendom (Gen 1-3 took later centuries as the dates of their "Great Apostasy")
- Generation 6: the Restorationists at the Great Awakening, like
- The Millerites, to become the Seventh DayAdventists -- with Ellen G White saying that Jesus was the same as the Archangel Michael and that Satan woudl take the sins of the world at the end of time and other beauties. They came up with their own version of the Bible
- The Unitarians and Universalists -- reborn and reinvigorated by this reformatting, they tossed out the Trinity and eventually they end up as they are today where they believe in nothing
- Jehovah's Witnesses: they tossed out the Trinity too and came up with their own version of the Bible
- The Mormons: they took the Trinity and made it three gods. They too came up with their own version of the Bible
- Generation 7: the Orthodo Presbyterian C, the FourSquare Ahoy! Pentecostalists, the Raelians, the Branch Davidians, the Creflo-Dollar crowd, the Jesse Dupantis (I went to visit Jesus in heaven and comforted Him) etc -- one step further beyond generation 6
- Generation 8: ... any one of the thousands of new sects formed since 1990
Each comes up with their own interpretation every day!
Let's see --
- one should believe in something as basic as Jesus was always God (Trinitarian position) or that Jesus Christ was man made God (Oneness PENTECOSTAL Protestant position) or the Angel Michael (Seventh Day Adventist Ellen G White teaching)
- that there is the REAL Presence of Christ in the Eucharist (Lutheran, some Anglicans, maybe even Methodists), or is it just a symbol (Calvinists)
- that one MUST talk in tongues (Oneness Pentecostal) to display faith or not?
- that there should be an episcopate (Lutheran, Anglican) or not (Presbyterians)?
- that apostolic succession is important (Anglican) or not (others)?
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- that Baptism is for infants and sufficient (Presbyterian etc.) or not (Baptists)?
- that God pre-damns people to hell (Calvinism) or not (others)?
- that vestements are ok (or in the silly words of one poster allowing men in dresses and silly hats) (Anglicans, Lutherans, some Methodists, Presbyterians, even Baptists and Pentecostals) or not?
- that Jesus came only for the salvation of a few (Calvinists) or he was Savior of the world (everyone else)?
- Do all agree or disagree with soul sleep? (Calvin: "As long as (the soul) is in the body it exerts its own powers; but when it quits this prison-house it returns to God, whose presence, it meanwhile enjoys while it rests in the hope of a blessed Resurrection. This rest is its paradise. On the other hand, the spirit of the reprobate, while it waits for the dreadful judgment, is tortured by that anticipation. . .", Psychopannychia,
- worshipping on a Sunday (Presbyterians, Pentecostals etc.) or not (Seventh Day Adventists)
- Do all agree with the Adventists that one should follow kosher laws or not?
- Do all believe that we still have spiritual gifts like prophecy amongst us (Pentecostals) or not (Presbyterians)
- Do all agree with being "slain in the spirit" (Pentecostalism) or not (Presbyterianism, Lutheranism etc)
- that Regeneration comes through Baptism (Lutheranism) or not (Baptists)
- that grace can be resisted (Pentecostalism, Lutheranism, Methodism) or not (Calvinism)
- that baptism is three-fold (Mennonites) or not?
- that there is no free will (Calvinism) or that man has free will (Mennonites)
- that it is faith + works (Mennonites: Menno Simons told the followers of Luther and Calvin: If you wish to be saved, you must walk in the way of the Lord, hear His Word, and obey it. For nothing avails in heaven nor on earth unto salvation,
not even Christ with His grace, merit, blood, and death, if we are not born of God,
if we do not believe His Word sincerely, and if we do not walk in the light and do right. As John says:
>If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie. (Complete Writings of Menno Simons, p. 208)) or not?
- that there is imputed righteousness (Calvinism) or not (Mennonites)
Next week the North-Western Evangelical Bible-Reformed branch of PresbyMennonCongregationalutherAdventipentecostathism is due to split into the Central-North-Western Evangelical Bible-Reformed branch of PresbyMennonCongregationalutherAdventipentecostathism and the Central-Southern-North-Western Evangelical Bible-Reformed branch of PresbyMennonCongregationalutherAdventipentecostathism, but this is good driven as there as a dispute in the Congregation on matters of doctrine, Bobama thought that he should be Preach-pasto-Prophet Elder on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and alternate Sundays while Michelle thought that she should be that -- as she had yoga-pilates-kickboxing class on Thursdays.
425 posted on
05/06/2011 6:53:02 AM PDT by
Cronos
(Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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