[Cronos]

A mantra is a word or syllable (like om)

On the contrary, I've shown that there are numerous core doctrines that Dr. Eck's group disagrees with yours, the pentecostals -- note: core doctrines:

1. The OPC believes that God pre-damns people to hell. Pentecostals do not believe in this double predestination
2. The OPC believes that miracles, talking in tongues, prophecy etc. ceased to exist since the time of the Apostles -- pentecostals of course, disagree
3. The OPC doctrine says that belief in the rapture is the result of faulty misreading of scripture -- pentecostals....
4. The OPC doctrine says that Pentecostals and Methodists are damnable heretics
5. RNMom's group's doctrine also says that these "follow the gospel of satan"
6. This group of RNmomof7 has the doctrine that Jesus Christ is not the Savior of the world but that His sacrifice, His coming, was only for a few
7. This group's doctrine is that we cannot love God (as we have no will to do so, but are robots), we are either forced to do so (in our programming) or not. This is not pentecostal belief!

These are not minor issues about Benny Hinn wearing white or OPC ministers wearing black suits, but core fundamental differences.

Furthermore, this same group goes on to condemn your pentecostal fundamental beliefs as misreading, damnable heresy and "satanic gospel", note, as core doctrine. They don't stand side by side with you when secularists attack Christian Churches either.

The problem is that you don't believe the same thing, not the core fundamentals of God in any way.

[daniel1212]

Mantra can also be understood as “a formula,” such as “an utterance of conventional notions or beliefs.” Your simple repetition is a a kind of mantra, which accomplishes little. A fringe group neither represents all of Calvinism or the church (many basic Calvinists reject some of TULIP, and even believe in the perpetuity of” sign gifts”), and as the often fervent debate in R. Catholicism about the role of free will (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregatio_de_Auxiliis), evidences which some of your points are about, this is a difficult area.

Nor are these different beliefs a real problem for me in upholding of the supremacy of Scripture, over undue allegiance to a man or office, which was a problem in the early church as well, but not bringing souls to be convicted and converted as i prior described, and maintaining a poor and contrite heart, yet rejoicing in Him (my failures), is.