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To: Natural Law

So if Jesus paid for the sin of all men.. then no one goes to hell right? So NL are you a universalist?


383 posted on 05/04/2011 4:40:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
"So NL are you a universalist?"

No, I am a Catholic.

If it were God's will that all men go to heaven then He would have skipped this whole earthly charade and created us in heaven. There was a reason God created free will and that reason was that He has reserved heaven for those who have accepted the gift of Grace and obeyed* Him.

*CCC - 144 To obey (from the Latin ob-audire, to "hear or listen to") in faith is to submit freely to the word that has been heard, because its truth is guaranteed by God, who is Truth itself. Abraham is the model of such obedience offered us by Sacred Scripture. The Virgin Mary is its most perfect embodiment.

384 posted on 05/04/2011 5:22:01 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: RnMomof7; Natural Law
rn: So if Jesus paid for the sin of all men.. then no one goes to hell right?

faulty logic

Jesus died for the sins of all men

  1. John 4:42 42And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

    1 John 2:2 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    Now if you want to deny 1 John 2:2 which says so clear that Christ is the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world and if you want to deny 1 Timothy 4:10 that Jesus Christ is "the Savior of all men," ...

    Christ's sacrifice is a freely given gift of grace that one can accept or reject.

    The problem is that you believe in zero free will, that God pre-programs people to accept or reject Him. The problem with pre-programming (as opposed to omniscience) is that this negates the idea that God loves, that God came to save us etc.


399 posted on 05/05/2011 6:42:09 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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