[phi11yguy19]

who's Palestinian Authority and why didn't you ping him/her?

I think even your friends with half-brains can point out how 4 mil is a terribly uneducated revision.

If there were 4 million slaves total, and you exclude those areas "under Union control" as did the emancipation, and you exclude the border states who remained in the union, and you account for the fact that executive orders do not equal laws (thus the need for amendment), you come to the firm conclusion that you're a revisionist bootlicker.

[rockrr]

Sticks & stones.

[Tublecane]

bloddy = bloody

[Tublecane]

“you account for the fact that executive orders do not equal laws (thus the need for amendment)”

More of your sophistical loop-de-loops. Just because there were lingering doubts about future legality which the 13th amendment laid to rest does not mean the EP wouldn’t have held in any case. Also, even if SCOTUS had declared the EP unconstitutional or limited its “henceforward” to mean until such time as the rebellion ended instead of forever after, that still doesn’t mean Lincoln didn’t free 4 million slaves, however briefly. I’ll admit that’d be faint praise, but, hey, I’m just following where the argument leads.

Finally, nevermind that it was just an executive order and a wartime emrgency one at that. On a practical level I just don’t understand how anyone can seriously believe the EP would’ve been overturned and the slaves returned to bondage after the war. Come on. The barn door was open; they weren’t getting back in.

[Tublecane]

“I think even your friends with half-brains can point out how 4 mil is a terribly uneducated revision.”

I did say “about” 4 million. Subtract the border states and that reduces it by about a half a million. Take out the exceptions, and that’s, what, another couple or few hundred thousand? Which leaves us with more than 3 million.

Okay, fine, I was rounding up. 3 million is still a lot more than the zero slaves freed hypothesis of southernsunshine. Who’s revising now?