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A black man bravely speaks out.

Al Mccray is a Tampa businessman and managing editor of TampaNewsAndTalk.com.


1 posted on 04/25/2011 9:32:07 AM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: Iron Munro

Sweet. I’ll go grab the popcorn!


2 posted on 04/25/2011 9:33:45 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Iron Munro

IMHO slavery was a symptom, secession was the disease. at the onset of hostilities, Lincoln’s priority was saving the union.


3 posted on 04/25/2011 9:35:04 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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Americans don’t want to believe that 100s of thousands of Americans died over tariffs.


4 posted on 04/25/2011 9:35:53 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Iron Munro
Sorry-- forget your Yankee bashing. Why don't we just consult the very declaration made by the South Carolina legilature when they voted for secession? Go here:

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html#South%20Carolina

Game, Set, and Match.

6 posted on 04/25/2011 9:38:12 AM PDT by Lysandru
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Are you referring to The War of Northern Aggression?
7 posted on 04/25/2011 9:40:08 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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hay punk, get it correct, it was. “the war of northern aggression”
10 posted on 04/25/2011 9:45:21 AM PDT by org.whodat
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McCray's version is absurd. Of course it was about slavery. This notion that it was about 'state's rights' wholly apart from the slavery question is itself a revisionist attempt to undermine and deny the abolistionist heritage and orgins of the Republican Party and northern whites. The desire to retain and even expand slavery drove the southern states to assert their claimed rights against the union. These arguments about recession and hard currency are crap. Here's an instructive quote, and note the date:

"A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect that it will cease to be divided. It will become all the one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of slavery will arrest the further spread of it and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in course of ultimate extinction, or its advocates will push it forward until it shall become alike lawful in all the states, old as well as new, north as well as south." Abraham Lincoln, June 16, 1858, Address to the Republican Convention

11 posted on 04/25/2011 9:45:35 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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Question: Would the South have seceded if they weren’t afraid that Lincoln would free the slaves, something that he admitted that he did not have the Constitutional authority to do?


13 posted on 04/25/2011 9:46:37 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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If, and I say this with a big if , the War Between the States was to free the slaves, please answer these simple questions:

I'll take a whack at it.

Why didn't President Lincoln issue a proclamation on day one of his presidency to free the slaves?

Because the Constitution gave him no power to do so, and because he thought southern Unionists would still prevail in the Upper South and Border states?

Why did he wait so many years later to issue his proclamation?

Lincoln took office March 1861. He issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation in September 1862. Since when is 18 months "so many years?"

Why was slavery still legal in the Northern states?

Because of frantic resistance by border state slaveowners and the fact that it takes time to get such legislation through? Despite this, all "northern," actually southern Unionist, states other than KY freed their slaves by state action before the end of the war.

Before 1864, how many elected members of the imperialist Yankee Congress introduced legislation to outlaw slavery anywhere in America?

August, 1861: Congress frees slaves being used in the Confederate war effort.

Slavery was abolished in the District of Columbia in April 1862. The same month, at Lincoln's request, Congress pledges financial aid to any state that undertakes gradual emancipation.

June, 1862: Congress abolishes slavery in the territories.

July, 1862: Congress frees the slaves of persons engaged in rebellion. Militia Act frees slaves who join the Union forces (and their families).

December, 1863 a bill for an amendment freeing all slaves was introduced.

22 posted on 04/25/2011 9:51:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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The civil War was NOT about slavery.. it was about State Rights..
Almost NO Confederate soldiers ever owned a slave.. they risked their lives for State Rights.. slavery was an economic issue..
24 posted on 04/25/2011 9:52:58 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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I agree with the general premise of this article, but I believe this statement is flat-out wrong:

The Army of the Potomac invaded the South to capture, control and plunder the prosperity of Southern economic resources and its industries.

I'm not sure what "prosperity" this guy is talking about. By any objective measure, the South was predominantly agrarian and substantially poorer than the North in the years leading up to the Civil War. In fact, when Frederick Douglass escaped from the South and made his way to Massachusetts, one of the eye-opening revelations he had was that lower-class black laborers in the town of New Bedford had a higher standard of living than the owner of the Maryland plantation where Douglass had lived and worked as a slave.

29 posted on 04/25/2011 9:55:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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Any honest reading of South Carolina's declaration of secession reveals that the issue was indeed "states rights"; in South Carolina's case, the state's right to uphold the institution of slavery.

I'm still not exactly sure how fighting over a tariff regime, for example, would somehow mitigate the Southern states' culpability for the morally atrocious institution of slavery.

South Carolina (and others, of course) were most certainly correct that federal interference in the matter of fugitive slaves was indeed an encroachment on the states' rights, and a clear overstepping of constitutional authority. But the issue of slavery is inseparable from the rights argument.

For those of us descended from Confederates or their sympathizers, there is no need to be reflexively defensive on the matter. It was what it was.

31 posted on 04/25/2011 9:57:33 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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Oh goody. I’m reading Lincoln Unmasked.


32 posted on 04/25/2011 9:58:35 AM PDT by moehoward
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Oh goody. I’m reading Lincoln Unmasked.


33 posted on 04/25/2011 9:58:52 AM PDT by moehoward
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“African kings were running a booming enterprise of selling their own people into slavery. It was also customary that defeated people became slaves. “

I think if they won’t sold into slavery, they were killed. Anybody know if this true?


45 posted on 04/25/2011 10:12:10 AM PDT by scbison
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Leonard Pitts Jr. another dunderhead who doesn’t know history...


52 posted on 04/25/2011 10:21:39 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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Abraham Lincoln can’t be blamed for the Civil War because the southern states had already succeeded before he had been inagurated.


53 posted on 04/25/2011 10:23:20 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of love, peace, and goodwill, and if you say that they aren't, they'll kill you)
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ping


54 posted on 04/25/2011 10:24:16 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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I am an historian to the extent that I teach American History at the college level and as with all discussion of the war’s causes and purposes, there remains the important conjecture that it likely would have not occurred when it did had a candidate other than Lincoln prevailed in the election of 1860. He was the only candidate (among many) in that contest that viewed slavery in a moral (rather than political) context.


59 posted on 04/25/2011 10:29:51 AM PDT by yetidog (/*)
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Maybe it’s just that democrats don’t take well to coming out on the short end of the voting process so they decided to flee.


60 posted on 04/25/2011 10:31:31 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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