Posted on 04/25/2011 7:29:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
... no evidence that a rising level of imports or growing trade deficits have negatively affected the U.S. economy. In fact, since 1980, the U.S. economy has grown more than three times faster during periods when the trade deficit was expanding as a share of GDP compared to periods when it was contracting. Stock market appreciation, manufacturing output, and job growth were all significantly more robust during periods of expanding imports and trade deficits.
It's true that the U.S. has lost more than 5.5 million manufacturing jobs in the last ten years, from more than 17 million jobs in 2000 to fewer than 12 million jobs in 2010... And yet during that same period, manufacturing output (data here) actually increased by more than 5%, from $3.1 trillion in 2000 to $3.26 trillion (measured in 2005 dollars) this year... On a per employee basis, manufacturing output per worker increased by more than 50%, from $182,000 in 2000 to $278,000 [in 2010.]
It's true that manufacturing jobs are decreasing, but rather than blame the Chinese, [Trump's] anger would be better targeted... if [he] blamed American innovators and even American manufacturing workers.
What do the Chinese do with the dollars that we use to buy their products? Do they burn these dollars or otherwise not use them commercially? ... If the Chinese do not burn their dollars, then they (or other foreigners with whom the Chinese deal) must use these dollars either to buy American products or to invest in the U.S. economy (or both). To the extent that foreigners buy our products, by [Trump's] reckoning they must be "rebuilding" America. ... Do such investments harm America? Does foreign investment in America not help to "rebuild" America? If not, why not?
Shell has an interesting history. The British side -Marcus Samuel- was Jewish.
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WIKIPEDIA
The Royal Dutch Shell Group was created in February 1907 when the Royal Dutch Petroleum Company (legal name in Dutch, N.V. Koninklijke Nederlandsche Petroleum Maatschappij) and the “Shell” Transport and Trading Company Ltd of the United Kingdom merged their operations[6] a move largely driven by the need to compete globally with the then dominant American petroleum company, John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil. The terms of the merger gave 60% ownership of the new Group to the Dutch arm and 40% to the British.
Royal Dutch Petroleum Company was a Dutch company founded in 1890 by Jean Baptiste August Kessler,[6] along with Henri Deterding, when a Royal charter was granted by King William III of the Netherlands to a small oil exploration and production company known as “Royal Dutch Company for the Working of Petroleum Wells in the Dutch Indies”.[7]
The “Shell” Transport and Trading Company (the quotation marks were part of the legal name) was a British company, founded in 1897 by Marcus Samuel and his brother Samuel Samuel.[6] Their father had owned a company, importing and selling sea-shells, after which the company “Shell” took its name.[8] In 1925, he became 1st Viscount Bearsted. Lord Bearsted was also awarded an Honorary Doctorate of Law (LLD) from the University of Sheffield during his lifetime.[9] Initially the Company commissioned eight oil tankers for the purposes of transporting oil. In 1919, Shell took control of the Mexican Eagle Petroleum Company and in 1921 formed Shell-Mex Limited which marketed products under the “Shell” and “Eagle” brands in the United Kingdom. In 1932, partly in response to the difficult economic conditions of the times, Shell-Mex merged its UK marketing operations with those of British Petroleum to create Shell-Mex and BP Ltd,[10] a company that traded until the brands separated in 1975.
Around 1953, Shell was the first company to purchase and use an electronic computer in the Netherlands.[11] The computer, a Ferranti Mark 1 Star, was assembled and used at the Shell laboratory in Amsterdam. In 1970 Shell acquired the mining company Billiton, which it subsequently sold in 1994 and now forms part of BHP Billiton.[12]
Glad you join you with those who put America first in war and in trade.
Note: this topic is from 4/25/2011. Thanks SeekAndFind.
Free Traitors long for the days when the USA was an agrarian society exporting food and natural resources in exchange for finished goods. Ah the good old days.
The first law signed by President Washington was the Tariff Act. Tariffs are not a new idea and it s very conservative.
Great post.
Donald Trump has brought two things into legitimate debate that I thought would never happen:
——tariffs
—— automatic citizenship via the 14th for babies dropped here by illegal aliens
Lets hope- we get a President Trump who can deal with them both
Yes he did and he ain’t backin’ down.
That’s the part the wife likes the most: contrary to popular opinion, real women don’t like wusses.
How long have we here been screaming all this, and been screwed at every turn by the turncoats we elected?
Trump gets immense credit for all of it.
The Mexican Caudillos are scared crapless right now: the gig is up with this guy who understands they been gettin’ over on us for far too long.
Plus Hispanics like to vote for the tough buy with lots of name recognition via TV. Trump has been on TV for years with his shows like The Apprentice. He even had a Jeopardy clone my cousin won $5,000 on.
In fact loads of lo-info voters of all races will vote based just on name recognition...and Trump has this.
I am serious. Some very powerful money wants Trump dead. He better have his airplane checked out every day. Same for his automobiles and other security measures
Plus Hispanics like to vote for the tough GUY!!!
Yeah. It’s true - amazing how an autopilot on a 757 can go bad just like that, huh?
Amazing.
Sure. Right.
He’s articulating the popular rage as they used to say...even the macho guys get that.
There’s nothing Leftist about noting the damper on economic liberty in taxing products individuals purchase from abroad.
Let alone the damper on economic liberty when countries retaliate with tariffs of their own.
What then is your definition of free trade, if not allowing the market to determine where companies go for inputs and production?
Those who oppose free trade advocate shutting off global markets to US companies.
Given that our country, with less than 5% of of the world’s population, generates more than 20% of the world’s output, that would be a major, major blow to the producers in America.
Just look at the tech sector alone, where we are global leaders in providing software and services, especially. Make that sector face massive retaliatory tariffs, and you’d be destroying a majority of that business.
What are you talking about?
I have a large trade deficit with the local grocery stores. Last year I bought over $6,000 of stuff from them, yet they bought nothing from me. My credit rating is 827. Should I be worried?
If it's cheesy and toxic, then nobody will buy it. Tariff or not. Problem solved!
On the other hand, if it's sleek and sexy and cheap, then Americans will buy it, and AAPL will soar. This will be a net win for Americans.
How many sheeple are going to be impressed reading this title? Like it or not, it will be seen as the GOP isnt for fair trade and is for screwing the US in favor of China.
China is not responsible for US economic problems. Barack Obama is.
Why don’t you tell me? :-)
If trade is really “free,” I don’t understand how our workers can maintain, over the long haul, a standard of living higher than the Chinese with whom they compete.
If we export different things than we import, the standard of living of the Chinese dictates what we can charge to them, again forcing our labor costs down.
If China throws up impediments to our products, we can’t move them, again lowering our labor’s standard of living.
As I understand it, Trump is just wanting to force China to remove those impediments. The rest remains, for better or for worse.
They can't. Free Traitors want us to return to an agrarian society content with exporting food stuffs and raw natural resources in exchange for finished goods made by slaves.. That is the end result of "Free Trade".
Trump's "Fair Trade" ideas have validity and will put America back in the drivers seat.
If trade wars break out guess who will WIN them?.. America!
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