Posted on 04/23/2011 4:26:06 PM PDT by TommyDale
Snopes' Certification of Live Birth shows supposedly issued in August, 1961 but the Revision date is 11/01. What is REALLY interesting is the light blue time stamp that reveals the actual date of issuance as Jun 6 2007. See the picture for the highlighted area showing the time stamp from the back side where it bleeds through. Hold it up to a mirror and you can see the date!
(Excerpt) Read more at msgboard.snopes.com ...
Dam, I just knew you were a closet birther.....
Oh, and “caucasion” wasn’t in use in 1961 either.
Interesting. Two errors.
IMHO, we lost with McCain.And we got McCain courtesy of two rinos Charlie Crist former Gov. of Fla. who made the deal to let him win Fla. and the huckster who blocked Romney all the way until it was over by staying in races he should have got out of.
Uh.. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Computers were not used to do overlay printing in 1961. The 2007 date for the purported generation of the COLB is reasonable, the way the forger wanted it.
What is not reasonable is the father's race being AFRICAN (as reported above). It is also not reasonable that Barry would drop the $12.50 for the COLB but spend $2M of "somebody's money" and copious court time to keep the long form from view.
We know Barry cannot be a natural born citizen, as Barry's daddy, BHO I, was a British citizen, and Stanley Dunham was too young to confer citizen status to her infant.
For the media and others to mischaracterize "birthers" as those whose belief hinges on whether Barry was born in the US or not is certainly journalistic malpractice and a conspiracy against the American citizenry.
The media, politicians and many others are fighting even beyond their default demrat leanings to keep this covered up because they likely entered a conspiracy not to question either McCain's or Barry's natural born status, probably with blackmail-like disclosures to be made if anyone renegs.
SCOTUS may ultimately recognize Congress' responsibility to make the determination about Presidential qualifications, despite no court saying it didn't have jurisdiction.
In certifying the electoral college's results in 2008, Dick Cheney did not give an opportunity for anyone to voice an objection, but recourse through Congres on behalf of citizenry is only defined to be through elections and in some cases, recall. Such processes are predictably too slow to eject BS from office during his elected term.
Nonetheless, if a past Pres__ent were to be conclusively shown to have falsified federal election documents or suborned false informaiton to be entered on his behalf, a non-Holder-led Justice Department might file charges and prosecute--long "after the horse has escaped the barn".
HF
About which fact are you speaking?
Nothing I stated is a “talking point.” Everything I said is information we’ve learned over the course of researching Obama’s COLB. I’m not asking you to accept anything I’ve stated as accurate. You can look it up and verify it yourself. Please do. If you choose not to do so, then I will expect more of the same from you and ignore you.
About which fact are you speaking?
Nothing I stated is a “talking point.” Everything I said is information we’ve learned over the course of researching Obama’s COLB. I’m not asking you to accept anything I’ve stated as accurate. You can look it up and verify it yourself. Please do. If you choose not to do so, then I will expect more of the same from you and ignore you.
I would agree with you that one mistake is enough to demonstrate that a proffered document is a forgery. But this document purports to be from 2007; not 1961. So it could be that PC do-gooders in Hawaii changed all the "Negroes" to "African Americans" and since that might have been too many letters for their database field it could have been truncated to "African."
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Dude, you rock. Never saw that b4..
Actually, the term used in the 60s was Afro-American, not African American. And Afro American wasn’t used until the late 60s after the assassination of MLK. It coincided with the beginning of the Black Power movement.
I’m looking at Red Steel’s post above. The terms ‘caucasion’ and ‘African’ were not in use to designate race in 1961 in Hawaii.
It looks like there are two errors on the COLB.
What say you?
Is that so? We'll, you'd better inform the Nordyke twins that their long form BCs are forgeries. And you might also want to notify FReeper Danae.
Apparently they also changed ‘white’ to ‘caucasion’.
BT, you may be off the hook. Maybe it was do-gooders from 2007 that changed the terms.
That’s OK, I like a mystery...and we are still left with the mystery of why so much of Obama’s life is hidden.
I say you should do a little research before making demonstrably false claims. "Caucasian" was in use. You can examine the Nordyke twins' and FReeper Danae's birth certificates to see evidence of such.
Newsflash: I was never “on the hook.”
“We’ll, you’d better inform the Nordyke twins that their long form BCs are forgeries. And you might also want to notify FReeper Danae.”
Ah Hah! Red Steel’s document is now in question, as it lists white, but not caucasion.
I’ll wait...
The Certificate of Live Birth is an “abstract” with some of the info that is supposed to be on the original birth certificate (if one exists). Of course, it omits some of the info that we’d like to know, such as the hospital and doctor.
My guess is that *any* Certificates of Live Birth issued in recent years have had the language updated to “acceptable modern usage” — from “White” and “African” to “Caucasian” and “Black” — even if the original birth certificate used other terms.
This could be determined by looking at other COLB’s issued by Hawaii.
I don't see the seal on the front or back view.
(The image you show has the number blacked-out, so it is the one we see at Obama's own Fight the Smears site.)
So, again, where is the seal?
FactCheck site: However, if one goes to the FactCheck site, the seal miraculously appears on the front, and it is RAISED!
What is going on? Do I need new glasses, because I can't see the Hawaii seal on Obama's Fight the Smears site, either on the front or the back.
I thought that the short form certificate on the FactCheck site was supposed to be the exact, same short form certificate I see on Obama's Fight the Smears site. I don't know about others here, but the two certificates sure look different to me.
Just wondering: Why did Obama order a short form back in 2007, when we now know that right up to recent March 2011, a person had the choice of ordering either a short or long form.
Does anyone seriously believe that Obama lost his birth certificate and he needed a new one? Give me a break.
And if Obama did lose his birth certificate, why didn't he choose to order the more detailed long form, or both forms?
My theory: Obama ordered a short form instead of a long form because he needed it to display it on the internet.
Obama knew that if he displayed his long form birth certificate---the one he already had or the one he could have ordered from Hawaii---his political career could have been destroyed once the public saw some information on the certificate that would have exposed Obama as a liar and a fraud concerning what he had previously told the public about his background.
I’m not about to do any research, other than what I read here and about. But I’ll pop off as much as I please.
I’m comparing notes between your posts (which over time give the impression you have a stake in the issue) and Red Steel’s post on terms in use at the time in Hawaii.
The bc issue is a minor one in the ocean of hidden documents related to the life of Obama.
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