Is the Speaker of the House paying attention?
He might need a tissue.
True story
He will raise the limit. He will claim he was forced to. What a scam.
Who cares what they think? /s
These numbers are the same issue after issue 60% or more against, 40% or less for and it doesn’t matter one damn bit!!!
Well most also opposed Osamacare, but we all know how that one turned out...
Don’t raise the debt ceiling, lower the spending floor. Defund all the collectivist’s collectives. The eagle $oar$ again.
Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they’ve passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.
“Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society’s virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed.
Ayn Rand
Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter — by peaceful or revolutionary means — into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it.
Woe to the nation when this latter purpose prevails among the mass victims of lawful plunder when they, in turn, seize the power to make laws! Until that happens, the few practice lawful plunder upon the many, a common practice where the right to participate in the making of law is limited to a few persons. But then, participation in the making of law becomes universal. And then, men seek to balance their conflicting interests by universal plunder. Instead of rooting out the injustices found in society, they make these injustices general. As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.
It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for everyone to suffer a cruel retribution — some for their evilness, and some for their lack of understanding.
It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.
Frederic Bastiat
since the Ryan plan steadily increases the debt over the next decade. Only a budget that eliminates - not reduces - the yearly budget deficit would halt the increase in the debt.
Poll: Most Americans say Medicare is worth the cost
Exactly....in fact Ryan is full of BS, since he claims to cut 5 or 6 trillion but actually does the oppisite....in his first ten years, he INCREASE THE DEBT BY FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS.
This poses an interesting situation. Polls showed voters against a government shutdown but are for not raising this limit.
Not raising it at all is equivalent to forcing about $1.4 trillion dollars of spending cuts over a year. It took weeks for house Republicans to get a $40B cut FY11 budget deal that turned out to be only $500 Million in net cuts. That is going from $500M to $1.4T in cuts, that is just 2800 times the spending cuts of the recent deal. These are the same voters that overwhelming oppose any cuts in medicare that oppose the debt limit increase. Yep, that's going to happen LOL.
The real question is, what will this deal really look like?
The fine print says:
543 Republicans, which they weighted down to 309 (25%)
277 Democrats, which they weighted up to 409 (33%)
404 Independents, which they weighted up to 506 (41%).
How do they figure out the weights? From another poll?
The larger the sample size, the lower the confidence interval (it says +/- 4 percentage points, for Republicans). Also, if you wanted to look at subgroups of Republicans, (young/old; male/female; etc.) you’d want a larger sample size. Somebody was willing to pay extra, to know more about Republicans.
The MSM is going to hang the raising of the debt ceiling on Republicans. That is going to be the 2012 battlecry of the RATS.
By oversampling Republicans, they got a majority that do not want to raise the debt ceiling. Once it is raised, Republicans will be blamed for not listening to the people.
This poll could be 90% against and they'd still raise it "for our own good." It's interesting the piece admits Ryan's plan, which Obama describes as "radical," does not actually stop deficit spending.
We're all clearly a bunch of pikers, too stupid to know what to do with something as complicated as spending money we don't have. The ruling class will thanks us for our votes and give us a pat on the head.
Interesting poll. I don’t think those polled realize it, but failing to raise the ceiling is about one inch shy of outright debt repudiation. Which would of course be a very good thing in my view.
And yet polls show people oppose Medicare and other entitlement cuts and that people believe the deficit can be solved by a tax on “the rich.” Just more evidence that the average American has no idea how bad our spendign problem is or what will be needed to solve it.
The solution is either cut entitlement spending—including Medicare—or raise taxes significantly on the middle class. There is no easy solution.
Just as we opposed TARP, “Porkulus,” Obamacare, and Lord-knows-what else.
As if anybody in DC cares what we think.