Posted on 04/17/2011 7:32:49 PM PDT by RobinMasters
A Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) IS sufficient to get:
A Social Security number
A Driver's License
A Passport
A Marriage License
I know this, because I did it. I have never in my life seen any "long-form birth certificate" or copy of such regarding my own birth. The only document I have ever had or seen is titled "Certificate of Live Birth."
And, my four adult children obtained all of the above documents with a "mere" COLB.
"Bachmann: Obama has neglected to prove eligibility"
Bachmann is, of course, free to completely ignore this issue if she so chooses. Or, even go so far as Beck, BOR, Coulter, Medved, Malkin, etc. and outright mock people looking for the answers.
Obviously, Bachmann has seen the significant traction Trump is getting in the polls and it isn't because of his stance on anything but the eligibility issue.
People....lots of people, care about this. It's possible to be concerned with more than one issue at a time. Walk...chew gum.
Does Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution matter?
Another one who’s happy if he just shows the document .. that’s it, then it’s over. Nothing about the NBC, dad’s citizenship, all the pesky stuff. I am coming to realize that’s just too much to expect people to understand these fine details, even potential presidential candidates.
Exactly. This issue is far more critical than merely “interesting.”
Zero needs to show everything, all he's got. NBC means parentage and place of birth. At least she's ramping it up a notch.
It is amazing isn’t it? Unfortunately, it looks like this is going to have to be addressed by way of “baby steps” as far as educating people to the core of the issue. To be sure, though, I’m glad the “eligibility” issue appears to no longer be verboten. Perhaps after some dialogue here, the real issue can be addressed. The actual requirement...”natural born Citizen.”
NEGLECTED? NEGLECTED YOU SAY?
Sounds like 0b0z0 FORGOT, POSTPONED, DIDN'T QUITE GET TO IT! Then it's easy to say here it is, no problem.
He didn't NEGLECT anything! If he did, why spending millions of OUR money to deny a peak? Just a teenie weenie peak, 0h0m0.
Until the Republicans STOP prancing around with language games, Communists are going to strangle us, slowly with the soft dictatorship, but surely with a full-fledged one.
Don’t leave out place of birth. It’s half of the deal. There’s a very good chance the person known as 0bama was not born in the US. The parentage thing, if anyone wants to read the latest research (that’s being made public on FR) should check this thread. There is a lot more unknown about Zero than whatever might or might not be on some birth cert.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2702976/posts?page=534
There is a very good chance his parents are not the ones supposedly his parents. The puzzle pieces are starting to line up.
Its a start and a good start. For one thing, if the LFBC ever sees the light of day - or which is possibly, can’t be found/doesn’t exist, but say it’s found - it may have other data on it that is incriminating.
Whichever way it is - not there, refuse to be shown, or has other info than the COLB, or other anomalies, that will open the door to all the other stuff. Meaning, all the requirements for NBC, who Zero is actually, a whole can of worms.
I can’t wait.
What information is on your/your adult children’s “Certificate of Live Birth?”
I ask because since the first of this year both of my twin sons separately had to get copies of their birth certificates from the DC Vital Records office. One was issued a “Certificate of Live Birth,” ie., the ‘short form.’ The other was issue the long form. I know not why the 2 different forms were issued.
The DC short form had information about my maiden name, place of birth, age, number of living children prior to his birth, address where I lived at the time of the birth. It has the same info for my husband. Further, it contains the name of the hospital, and doctor’s name, address and signature. It also has name of the information provider (me).
This is significantly more information than the COLB issued by HI. Please let us know what information is on the IL (or wherever you/they were born) COLB.
oh, I am definitely delighted that this issue has finally seen the light of day at highly visible levels. And, let’s face it, ONLY someone like Trump could have pulled it off. Imagine if Bachmann or Palin had introduced the subject themselves!
In the 2+ years this issue has lingered, have you seen ONE litigant, one attorney, one interested party interviewed on MSM, much less every major outlet on the networks and cable channels?
I just think that the ‘nuance,’ if you will, really IS lost on Trump/Palin/Bachmann ... and if some document with further information IS produced they will walk away. We will still be without an interpretation of the NBC language in the Constitution and the doors will e wide open for anchor babies to waltz into the WH in a generation. Honestly, I think we and the Founders/Framers have been very poorly served by today’s SCOTUS and all the powers that be in DC.
As of right now, I am voting on this issue. Trump/Palin/Bachmann
I'm waiting for when she tells CNN and they agree with her.
Correct. Trump has made it possible to question Obama's eligibility without being considered a fool or a racist.
I would only hope that more conservatives - and anyone who respects the Constitution - speak up on this issue.
Oh, and a side note to Bill O"Reilly: A birth announcement in a newspaper does not satisfy the Constitution's eligibility requirements.
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Yes, it appears that we can finally move past the Alinsky ridicule stage on this issue.
And yeah...the newspaper advertisements create more questions than they attempt to answer:
Just *who* is the nameless baby "boy" listed?
Just *who* is "Mrs. Obama?" Kezia Aoko, his wife from Kenya??
Just *why* is Obama Sr's address listed as 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in those ad's, when his address is known to be 11th Avenue?
born April 6, 1956 in Waterloo, IA (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)
Parents were
David John Amble, born in MN
Jean Johnson, born in IA
Both parents were US Citizens at the time of her birth (Meets the Jus sanguinis Requirement)
Michele Bachmann is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN unlike Comrade Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Emmerich De Vattel, (1714-1767,) Law of Nations, 1758, § 212, "Of the citizens and naturals."
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To follow up, since we already have the term defined, SCOTUS needs to determine if Barry meets the definition (which, if Sr. was his legal father at birth, he wouldn’t).
1. 2 citizens have a child born out of the country but the child still would be considered natural born. This is the John McCain scenario - born in Panama of 2 US citizens ergo McCain is natural born (which makes me wonder why Congress passed the resolution declaring this).
2. But if McCain’s father had never been “a resident” of the US then this would not apply - according to this.
Seems if this is the only clause referring to what makes Natural Born then it leaves room for argument. For instance, If zero was born in Hawaii instead of out of the country then would #1 apply to him? Also, we all know his dad (at least the one zero says he is) was a resident of the US - even though he wasn’t a citizen.
Is there something I’m misunderstanding?"
What the Congress had tried to do with the Act of 1790, was to extend the known definition to those born overseas (outside the sovereign territory) to citizen parentS. Congress, it appears, soon recognized they don't have the power (by themselves, i.e. absent Amendment process) to modify who may be a "natural born Citizen." They only have the power of naturalization...or to determine who may be a "citizen" by statue. So, they repealed the Act in 1795, which in turn, did not contain the "natural born Citizen" language.
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