If O is not a Natural Born Citizen, can his signature on a bill really keep govt up & running?

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[library user]

Imagine it's 2012 or 2013 and it's proven 100% that O is not a NBC.

Any retroactive ramifications from this?

Sorry if a stupid question.

Just wondering what others are thinking.

[CodeToad]

“many Americans including TV news anchors (the ones not playing stupid) do not know this fact.
“

Neither do many posters on FR. It is NOT a fact that it takes two parents to be a natural born citizen. You guys want it to be thinking you’ve got Obama by the short and curlies, but you simply do not.

[IMR 4350]

The marriage was recognized by the court.

There was a divorce granted, which means they were married in the eyes of the court.

[CodeToad]

“Obama’s father had to be a U.S.citizen at the time of Obama’s birth for Obama to be a natural born citizen of the U.S.”

That lie keeps getting repeated, but it isn’t true. US law, constitution, and case law says otherwise.

[tsowellfan]

Have you noticed that Biden has been hiding his ugly face ever since we started bombing Libya? Biden’s silence confirms he is coward and a duplicitous hypocritical dirtbag, beneath the peoples contempt.

Yes I have noticed that. This may explain...

Report: Biden Opposes Obama on Libya

[CynicalBear]

>> is the baby a Brit, or an American citizen?<<

Regarding O we are not talking about just being a citizen. Natural Born Citizen is the important consideration.

[C210N]

If a person fakes a medical degree, joins the AMA, gets hired by a hospital, and removes an appendix... should the appendix be re-inserted?

[phockthis]

sfl

[tsowellfan]

I'm from planet earth where many people now know how to copy and paste and not try to put words in other mouths.

Here's what I asked...

Maybe I'm wrong but is it not common knowledge that his dad was not born in America?

[tsowellfan]

Wasn't common knowledge his father was a Kenyan?

What planet do you live on that it wasn't common knowledge?

Here on earth it was in the news daily for over 2 years before they sent him the first bill to sign.

tsowellfan to IMR 4350

They had prior knowledge he wasn’t qualified to be president before they sent him the bills to sign.

Maybe I'm wrong but is it not common knowledge that his dad was not born in America?

I thought that was something Obama wrote in his book.

[CharlesMartelsGhost]

Although ancillary to the topic of valid signature I came across this interesting piece this morning relating to the “fake” we have as a Prez. It raises more questions than answers, but is food for thought:

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2011/04/09/trump-is-right-obama-is-hiding-something-big/

Trump is Right, Obama is Hiding Something

Story originating from an anonymous email below. I have no idea how much of it is accurate but I know some is. I am putting it up as a possible motivator for anybody with time to investigate the matter

Incidentally, the 1950s picture here of Obama’s mother should remind us that his mother was no normal modest Midwestern girl of the times so his genetics are not the best either from his mother’s or his philandering father’s side. Snopes has done an unusually poor job (even for it) of saying the photo of Mrs Soetoro is in fact of someone else but have a look at the lady they think is in the photo. Most unconvincing. Genetics are a powerful determinant of behavior so, although scandalous, the suggestion about Obama’s sexuality below is not implausible

As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.

Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry’s name was legally changed to “Barry Soetoro”. (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry’s vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate…

OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry’s legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry’s father really was and Barry himself may not know.

Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.

Barry’s mother dropped him as a dependant for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother’s passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mothers. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry’s mother divorced.

A “certificate of live birth” can have names changed on it including a child’s birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a “certificate of live birth”. This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)

There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name “Barrack Hussein Obama”. I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.

The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.

Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)

Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?….

After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)

When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax forms. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.

It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job . He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as “Obama”. Fake Diploma’s were very big in the 80’s and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in)… Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.

The Saudi’s apparently loved Barry’s story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name “Obama”. The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendy President of the law review a person that never wrote a single law review…. I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard.

It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was most likely a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters?… I hired people over seas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals… I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi’s, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still wanted on an outstanding warrant in New York.

Barry’s selective service registration is not normal either.

After I looked at Barry’s selective service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent too based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name “Obama” until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California) His selective service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept 1980… Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept 1980 (Barry’s own admission) and was not using the fictitious name “Obama” at that time. Barry began using the fictitious name “Obama” only after he returned from Pakistan. The selective service filing is fraudulent.

Barry returned to Chicago and attend a semi-christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle. Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry’s first love.

Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a back ground investigation and he would never pass one. So, Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm. Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion. He wrote lost of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they know Barry is a fraud and don’t want to be sued by previous clients) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud. The Bar knows Barry lied on his application. Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayors office.

[FrankR]

You must have missed the word, “Rhetorical”....

[PA-RIVER]

If a Coke addicted Kenyan works as a male prostitute in NY, can he use that experience for College Credits at Columbia University?

These are the vexing questions of our time.

[tsowellfan]

“Obama’s father had to be a U.S.citizen at the time of Obama’s birth for Obama to be a natural born citizen of the U.S.”

That lie keeps getting repeated, but it isn’t true. US law, constitution, and case law says otherwise.

Well, that "otherwise" could go either way. If it's not true then would he be eligible or not and in which case?

[CynicalBear]

>> Even if he was born in Hawaii, it still doesn’t change the fact that both parents are not citizens of the U.S.<<

Are you still taking his word for it that his father really was Obama Sr.? There is really no documented proof of that.

[Jewels1091]

If his father didn’t tell them that he was already married, the court wouldn’t know it. And where exactly were his parents ‘married’ anyway?

[tsowellfan]

Even if he was born in Hawaii, it still doesn’t change the fact that both parents are not citizens of the U.S.<<

Are you still taking his word for it that his father really was Obama Sr.? There is really no documented proof of that.

I think the point this person is making is more or less a general statement. About eligibility not what the name of his father was.

[CynicalBear]

No, I was actually trying to not get sidetracked into a long discussion not pertinent to the thread or subject at hand.

[Agamemnon]

I've always respected your posts, Jim ... but this is disturbing.

So in your mind what Wikipedia - of all things - says now "Trumps" the Constitution itself does it?

The "art" of Law and and legal contrivances somehow supersede the Constitution?

Horse shit and hand-wringers are more and more becoming their own self-fulfilling companions around here.

Either the Constitution means something, or we make up rules as we go along. It's no more difficult to understand than that.

One side represents the Right in this country and the other side is the Left. At its core that is what the whole debate has ever been about. And that will be the pivotal question answered in a "Civil War" level crisis -- toward which we are heading - no question. It's coming.

And I say bring it on. I'll dare say there are more out there like me than there are the defeatist hand-wringers on this board.

Some fear a race war and riots if it does. But why? Do people somehow think Blacks all like being lied to? Tell that to the likes of Lloyd Marcus, tell that to Allan West -- tell that to plenty of folks out there whose skin color happens to be darker than mine that they like the embarrassment the illegitimacy of this "President" by extension means for them as much as anyone else.

If you are a true Reagan conservative you will believe as I do that The Left will lose that war. And if you are paying attention at all you will see that they already are.

The way some people post around here of late you'd think they derive their personal sense of self-worth from all the phony self-imputed powers of prognostication which invariably MUST result in conservatives being the ones winding up on the losing side of history, when history -- particularly US History -- shows that the opposite is true.

If the Constitution means anything going forward -- and I firmly believe in the end it will -- then Jim Noble is WRONG.

Most readers around here are more "on the ball" than to use Wikipedia as a primary source for a reference on such a topic as this.

The day the USSC uses Wikpedia like Jim Noble does as the basis for writing one of their opinions as a matter of "stare decisis" is the day to worry. Not before then.

Silly Wikipedia-level thinking like that should just be shown the door.

FReegards!

[IMR 4350]

The fathers history was well known long before the election.
Long before the primaries.
Long before San Fran Nan certified him as eligible.

For any member of congress to try and make a claim they didn't know his father was not an American citizen is beyond ridiculous.

[Bigh4u2]

Just like there is no real documented proof that Obie was born here.

He could have come from Alpha Centauri as far as we know.

Besides. If he can’t prove who his father is, then he can’t prove he is a citizen.