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I would be cautious about The Donald on the birth certificate issue
April 9th 2011 | Myself

Posted on 04/08/2011 12:17:53 PM PDT by JosephSmithNAW

The question I have in my mind is how far is he willing to take this. How serious is his Presidential run? What if he pulls the rug from under those people who take this issue very seriously once he is done with his campaign.

Still, some national attention for this can't hurt. My best scenario would be the Donald running long enough to take votes away from Mitt and doing some damage early in the primary. I still cannot digest the nightmare scenario that for the lack of any solid alternative Mitt Romney might become the official Republican nominee in 2012.


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To: JPG

All Obama has to do is show the LFBC or explain why he can’t or won’t. The pressure is on Zippy, not Trump...who has already shown his.


Funny you should refer to Zero as Zippy. He does remind me of the character on Two and a Half Men played by Jon Cryer. Another useless human tragedy walking!!!!


41 posted on 04/08/2011 1:08:07 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: Safrguns

he is very likely a thorough man. I assume he investigated every single anomaly in obama’s life (including his schools, etc) and having all the data he needed, worked out a media plan to slowly put this tale into the daily news of americans.

Time will tell, but I hope he was able to come up with some concrete things. The administration and before that the faction that supported obama has had years to clean things up.


42 posted on 04/08/2011 1:11:05 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Godebert; VeeP22

So who are ya’ll rooting for?


43 posted on 04/08/2011 1:30:02 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: JosephSmithNAW
Trump 2012 = Swift Boat Veterans for Truth 2004.

The best way to go after Obama is to destroy the lies and myths that surround his personal narrative. We know so little about him except what he has written about himself, it should be fertile ground. Once exposed as a charlatan, the rest is easy.

44 posted on 04/08/2011 1:33:03 PM PDT by kabar
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To: VeeP22

True. And as a candidate he would have standing to force the issue. If this issue was decided by the courts after the primaries, it would throw the DNC into disarray if Zippy was proven ineligible. The GOP candidate just needs to have the cojones to force the issue.

If the other so called GOP contenders want to stand a chance, they all need to band together and demand to see the LFBC.


45 posted on 04/08/2011 1:33:12 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: WoofDog123

THIS IS A SET UP. Trump will use this to have his investigators find some evidence that proves Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen and because he is Trump the rest of the world will take his word on it. He will never run for President - this is all a ruse. Remember Trump gave millions to Rahm Emanuel, he works for NBC and he’s from NYC. Just watch - this will happen just as I said.


46 posted on 04/08/2011 1:35:29 PM PDT by Jay Gatsby
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To: wolfcreek
So who are ya’ll rooting for?"

I'm rooting for this man.


47 posted on 04/08/2011 1:39:45 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Jay Gatsby

You’re a coward.


48 posted on 04/08/2011 1:42:04 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Jay Gatsby
If AZ or some of the other states pass bills to require the long form of the birth certificate in order to appear on the 2012 ballot, then it will not depend on the word of Trump or anyone else.

Trump will use this to have his investigators find some evidence that proves Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen and because he is Trump the rest of the world will take his word on it.

If he finds real evidence, then his word is not necessary. The only real evidence is the birth certificate itself, if it exists.

49 posted on 04/08/2011 1:44:59 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Godebert

Is that Daniels? Who?


50 posted on 04/08/2011 1:59:32 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

So who are ya’ll rooting for?
**********
I’ll tell you who I don’t like, and that’s anyone who isn’t addressing this issue.


51 posted on 04/08/2011 2:03:15 PM PDT by VeeP22
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To: JosephSmithNAW

Mitt Romney? LOL! Taxachusetts! NO thank you!


52 posted on 04/08/2011 2:05:06 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: WoofDog123

>>> he is very likely a thorough man. I assume he investigated every single anomaly in obama’s life (including his schools, etc) and having all the data he needed, worked out a media plan to slowly put this tale into the daily news of americans.

I would tend to agree... but I do wonder however if he is truly privy to the full depth and nature of what is going on.

I fear that as he uncovers new evidence, he like many others before him will be forced to either make even more serious claims, making him look more and more like a “tin hatter”, or he will choose to shut his mouth to protect his image.

Rush has been saying for a LONG TIME that Obama’s agenda is destructive in nature.

Trump has NOT been saying that.... yet.


53 posted on 04/08/2011 2:05:15 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns
Trump's a big Donk contributor. Trump was for Hillary. He only endorsed McCain late, after Obama beat her out of the nomination. If he proves a liability to the GOP, it's easy to disown him.

If Trump manages to turn enough dirt on Obama to make the independents take note, that's all to the good. Heads, Trump and the GOP gain. Tails, Trump loses, and the GOP ignores him.

The only thing that can destroy the birther movement is a real and genuine birth certificate.

Half the birthers would say it's fake because Obama bought the Hawaii Department of Health. The other half would say it proves he's not natural born because it shows his father was a foreign student. However, the birther movement would become even more marginal than it is now. Most of the electorate will base their vote on other considerations.

54 posted on 04/08/2011 2:05:35 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: wolfcreek
He's the man sitting in Ft. Leavenworth for asking the same question as Trump.

His name is LTC Terrence Lakin.

55 posted on 04/08/2011 2:07:04 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: cynwoody

>>> Half the birthers would say it’s fake because Obama bought the Hawaii Department of Health.

That would be the immediate presumption I’m sure...

but you simply cannot fake a birth certificate.
Too much verifiable information there to deal with.

As a sideline birther, I’m sure I would be able to weigh the evidence that both sides would present in such a scenario.
It would admittedly take a lot for me to accept it as genuine unless a viable reason for his hiding it could be presented.


56 posted on 04/08/2011 2:11:42 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: ASA Vet

” Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. “

Right , and I have been constantly hammering this point to fellow Freepers . If Barack Sr. really was his father , then Obozo cannot be natural born as he was a British subject , being a Kenyan . It’s always possible that his father was NOT BO Sr., and there are a number of possible scenarios that have been discussed , inc. that his his supposed Ma’s father got a black woman pregnant and that is how he was hatched . Stanley Anne just pretended to be his mother for a while . So that might be what he is trying to hide ?


57 posted on 04/08/2011 2:44:43 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman

58 posted on 04/08/2011 2:48:43 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman

No question, that’s his dad. You can definitely see the resemblance.


59 posted on 04/08/2011 2:49:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: sushiman

A DNA check would be interesting.


60 posted on 04/08/2011 2:54:55 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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