Posted on 04/05/2011 7:30:39 PM PDT by railor
It's every employer's nightmare. A year ago, Edgar Tillery was told by his supervisor at the Indiana Workforce Development Department that his performance as an auditor was subpar, and that he should shape up or consider resigning.
His response? He went outside to his parked car, grabbed a gun, and came back firing, court documents say.
Luckily the weapon jammed, and no one was hurt. Tillery is now serving a 15-year prison sentence. Business groups seized on the incident as an example of why companies should have the right to forbid employees from having firearms stowed in their vehicles while at work.
Barely two weeks after the shooting, however, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels signed into law a measure that does the opposite - bans employers from telling workers that they can't have guns in their cars.
Indiana is now one of 13 states that grant such rights to employees. The spread of "parking lot" or "bring your gun to work" laws stems in part from the landmark 2008 Supreme Court ruling that struck down the District of Columbia's handgun ban.
Surprisingly, the January shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., is also playing a role. Of 37 bills introduced in 16 state legislatures this year involving guns on company property, 33 came after the Tucson attack, says the Legal Community Against Violence, a public-interest law center in San Francisco.
Gun rights activists, fearing a backlash, are pushing for broader rights, says Ladd Everitt, a spokesman with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a Washington advocacy group.
"People see an incident like this and they think, 'They're going to take our guns. We better get every law we can,' " Everitt said.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
“Nice try, but fail!”
Since I wasn’t particularly attempting to “justify bringing a gun onto the employer’s private property in order to prevent being raped”, you can’t accurately say I failed at it.
I was attempting to get a thoughtful response or defense in regard to your assertion that “you have no “right” to do...(or say, or that matter) anything which the employer prohibits”. I certainly didn’t get one, so you can say I failed in that attempt.
But I expected that. I didn’t really believe you could defend such an overly broad assertion. You didn’t even make a nice try.
It is not opinion, it is the law. The State of Texas has written into the code of law that signage properly placed prohibits weapons on the premises or in the establishment where found is that sign. That is the law. If you violate the law, you will be arrested. Pretty simple concept.
Although I own a gun, have a CHL and believe I am responsible enough to carry (at least concealed) anywhere, I still must follow the law. When each individual decides to become the law, the term for that is "anarchy" and that is a very undesireable living environment.
Your assumption that an employer must justify regulation of employee behavior and speech in the workplace is simply too juvenile to warrant an argument. So, your position fails.
“It is not opinion, it is the law.”
Seemed more like an opinion than the law when you wrote “You should have the right to state the rules for your own property.“
But it doesn’t really change my questions much. They’d now be: But what is the basis for that be it opinion or law? What would you say to convince someone who disagrees with you that you are correct and they are not?
And the fact that it is Texas law doesn’t mean much. Laws change. If there was a movement to change that Texas law or change the law in any other state, and those on one side took the position that “You should have the right to state the rules for your own property“, what would the answers to my questions be?
In other words, you don't have a clue how to support and defend what you wrote. Otherwise, your post is unresponsive. Like I wrote before, I didn’t really believe you could defend such an overly broad assertion.
Answer: The law has been passed by elected representatives. If you don't like it, get it changed. Otherwise, follow it or if caught, pay the penalty. You can post all you want to. I'm finished with the conversation.
“I’m finished with the conversation.”
That’s acceptable. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about and you not faking it very well.
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