Posted on 04/05/2011 7:30:39 PM PDT by railor
It's every employer's nightmare. A year ago, Edgar Tillery was told by his supervisor at the Indiana Workforce Development Department that his performance as an auditor was subpar, and that he should shape up or consider resigning.
His response? He went outside to his parked car, grabbed a gun, and came back firing, court documents say.
Luckily the weapon jammed, and no one was hurt. Tillery is now serving a 15-year prison sentence. Business groups seized on the incident as an example of why companies should have the right to forbid employees from having firearms stowed in their vehicles while at work.
Barely two weeks after the shooting, however, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels signed into law a measure that does the opposite - bans employers from telling workers that they can't have guns in their cars.
Indiana is now one of 13 states that grant such rights to employees. The spread of "parking lot" or "bring your gun to work" laws stems in part from the landmark 2008 Supreme Court ruling that struck down the District of Columbia's handgun ban.
Surprisingly, the January shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., is also playing a role. Of 37 bills introduced in 16 state legislatures this year involving guns on company property, 33 came after the Tucson attack, says the Legal Community Against Violence, a public-interest law center in San Francisco.
Gun rights activists, fearing a backlash, are pushing for broader rights, says Ladd Everitt, a spokesman with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a Washington advocacy group.
"People see an incident like this and they think, 'They're going to take our guns. We better get every law we can,' " Everitt said.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
The Second Amendment - when seconds count and the police are minutes away.
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Yeah, because someone who is contemplating shooting up the place will stop and think "oh, I have to parks 3 blocks away because I can't keep the gun in my car in the parking lot by the building. Man, that's too far to walk. I guess I won't commit that mass murder/suicide this afternoon.".
How stupid do they think I am?
Shall not be infringed. Period.
The 2nd amendment does not say Congress shall not infringe, or States shall not infringe.
Shall not be infringed. Period.
That, IMO, means no infringement by anyone anywhere!
Before somebody says carrying a gun is hollering fire in a theater, NO, shooting that gun is doing that. Just carrying it is like having a larynx — you can keep quiet or you can shoot your mouth off.
Pre-emptive infringement is the same thing as pre-emptive restraint, or preventing someone from owning a printing press or copier because they might publish something inflammatory or insulting or disagreeable to the politicians.
If you can bring your daughter to work, why not your gun? Should be a special day.
I love that phrase. However, it simply isn't true.
I guess Somalia would be a case in point.
Hahahahahahaha!
I can’t even bring my cell phone to work!
That was not one of the suggestions.
It's way past time we started using the rules/laws to our own advantage instead of blindly trusting "the System" to do The Right Thing.
Michael Bloomberg is a gun grabbing fascist. He can take his POS propaganda rag and shove it up his Nazi ass.
Why is it wrong for an employer to prohibit firearms on that part of his property which is not open to the public?
Have I lost the right to prohibit people bringing guns onto my private property>
“Why is it wrong for an employer to prohibit firearms on that part of his property which is not open to the public?”
Why is it not wrong for an employer to prohibit firearms on that part of his property which is not open to the public?
One person’s rights end where another person’s rights begin.
The juncture of that ending and beginning may be a conflict of rights. An organized society has laws and courts and such to settle such conflicts. But in this case, what is the conflict? How does possession of a firearm on an employers property adversely affect his rights, providing the firearm is not seen and more particularly, not heard.
If you are in an area of the employer which is not open to the public, you have no “right” to do or possess (or say, or that matter) anything which the employer prohibits. If you are in a “public” area owned by the employer (i.e., not on anyone’s private, controlled property), then you do have rights which can be adjudicated.
Many of the problems in this area of “rights” stem from employee use of parking lots which are also used by the public. There are some employers who have tried to prohibit employees having guns in their cars while not exercising the same restriction against non-employees, which is certainly unfair and perhaps even unlawful in some jurisdictions.
“If you are in an area of the employer which is not open to the public, you have no “right” to do or possess (or say, or that matter) anything which the employer prohibits.”
Among other things:
As written, that means I have no right to say “no” to a sexual proposition if the employer prohibits saying “no”.
As written, that means I have no right to do anything to defend myself against being raped if the employer prohibits my doing anything to prevent it.
Are you sure your statement as written is something you want to, or even can, defend?
You should have the right to state the rules for your own property. If a worker doesn’t like the rules, (s)he can work somewhere else. Pretty simple.
Others have noted, but parking lot are generally considered open public areas. But the other point is - just HOW is a weapon locked up in a vehicle negatively impacting your business?
Or do you prefer having to wait for police to finally show up while a deranged individual shoots up the place, and those who could have retrieved their weapons couldn’t because you banned them (check the news - this has happened).
“You should have the right to state the rules for your own property. “
Your statement is an opinion or assertion, and that’s fine in so far as you’re entitled to have and assert your opinion.
But what is the basis for that opinion? What would you say to convince someone who disagrees with you that you are correct and they are not?
Nice try, but fail! No, you can’t justify bringing a gun onto the employer’s private property in order to prevent being raped. Your employer has an obligation to provide a safe work environment -— and one that is free from sexual harassment.
As for the “arguments” questioning the harm a gun could possibly do, that is for the private property owner to decide, not you!
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