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Trump Attacked for Demanding Obama Birth Docs
Newsmax ^ | Friday, 25 Mar 2011 05:01 PM | Dan Weil

Posted on 03/27/2011 4:10:35 PM PDT by Red Steel

Donald Trump’s calls this week for President Barack Obama to release his birth certificate prompted negative reactions from pundits who would like to turn the tables on Trump and say, “You’re fired.”

However, Trump’s comments, made most recently in an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV, also garnered support from those who wonder why Obama has not supplied documentation of where he was born.

Trump rekindled the longtime controversy Wednesday on ABC’s “The View” when he said Obama was “probably” born in the United States, but he wants the president to prove it with a birth certificate.

As for the critics, Brian Lowry of Variety got personal. “More than anything, Trump looks like a buffoon — an egomaniac hopelessly addicted to the spotlight, floating the prospect of a presidential run to a gullible media to boost interest in himself and ‘Celebrity Apprentice,’" Lowry wrote on the magazine’s website.

“Moreover, he seems in complete denial about the fact that his NBC show crested some time ago. Seriously, 8 million viewers or so is ‘through the roof?’ Only if the ceiling is about three inches above your head.”

David Weigel of Slate magazine took up Trump’s challenge to show him a photo of Obama as a child. “I've seen 14-year-old,” Trump said. “I've seen 13-year-old. I haven't seen early pictures." Weigel’s column includes a photo of Obama as a child that appeared on the cover of Time magazine in 2008.

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Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie, a friend of Obama's parents in Hawaii who said he remembers when the future president was born, first vowed to produce an original copy of the president's birth certificate this year.

But he abandoned those efforts because it is against state law to release private documents, CNN quoted his spokeswoman as saying.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


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To: Danae

They quoted directly from the law, not some abstract theory. The constitution does not define clearly What a natural-born citizen is, leaving congress to fill in the gaps. This is what Congress has said about who exactly qualifies.


241 posted on 03/27/2011 8:54:28 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper ("I think Pravda has mor e sense and logic the our pretend journalists. " A Birther)
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To: reasonisfaith
Just because he might have gotten hold of something tangible against Obama doesn’t make Trump a real conservative...

Yeah...but he's a birther...nothing else matters.

242 posted on 03/27/2011 8:57:40 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

as recent polls show (72% of persons asked), you don’t have to be a ‘birther’ to state that you wonder why you are given NO information about this man’s past, including his birth, his schooling, his scholastic records, his legal records, his legislative records, his passport records...hell, we don’t even know what kind of cars he drove! All the information is fluff and manipulated .jpegs.

Now tell us where you hid WinOne4TheGipper.


243 posted on 03/27/2011 8:59:18 PM PDT by bitt ( ..Congress - either investigate Obama ...or yourselves, for complicity)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
Our citizenship laws are not subject to the citizenship laws of another country. The man was born in Hawaii to an American mother, therefor he meets all requirements of being natural-born

Yeah? Who's his Daddy? A foreign non-immigrant student. Not to even go into whether he was born in Hawaii or not, he is not an NBC. If Hitler married a USC (us citizen) and she gave birth to a child in the US, would the offspring be eligible to be President? Not hardly.

244 posted on 03/27/2011 8:59:59 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
We know that Birthers are not representative of conservatives, we know that Birtherism was started by Hillary supporters during the primary, and after the primary, it became pretty damn clear that Obama benefited from birthers being in the news.

Upholding the US Constitution is not representative of conservatives? You're on the planet called BS. We know the opposite of what you say. Empirical evidence is against you.

Polls show that America is a Birther Nation

Only 9% believe Obama has documented eligibility

Poll: Majority of Republicans Doubt Obama Born in U.S.

Birthers are an embarrassment to most freepers.

It is you WinOne4Obama who belongs to the tiny minority on FR. You're the embarrassment. Look around.

245 posted on 03/27/2011 9:00:17 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
Some of us have doubts about Obama's birth and his qualifications to serve as president. Those qualifications are Constitutional issues and deserve to be honestly addressed.

If you feel that the continuing controversy surrounding these issues is damaging to conservatism, you are not the only one. Obama seems to feel that this issue cuts in his favor, too, and that may be one good reason for his refusal to cooperate with the inquiry by producing all of his birth records.

If you feel that the continuing controversy surrounding these issues is damaging to conservatism, perhaps like me you would like to see these issues resolved as soon as possible. I have written to Speaker Boehner and to Chairman Issa and urged them to subpoena all of the Hawaiian birth records so that we can see if they in fact exist and so that we can all view the content of any and all such records as may in fact exist. I urge you to join me by adding your name to those who have called upon Speaker Boehner and Chairman Issa to take the few minutes it would take to subpoena those records now.

Thanks for your assistance. Together, we can clarify these matters and prevent these lingering uncertainties from damaging the conservative movement.

246 posted on 03/27/2011 9:02:54 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: WinOne4TheGipper; bitt

I hate to say this. I really do.

Sir, you are embarassing me.

You REALLY need to get up to speed with the research that has been posted on this site. Upon doing so, you will come to the same conclusion, because it is unavoidable.

Please, for your own sake, and for the sake of your long reputation on Free Republic, stop posting about this until you have read through rxsid’s posts, that of Red Steel, and a rew otherw who have done research more outstanding that that which was done destroying Dan Rather.

The Historical Documents DO exist. They DO say exactly what we are telling you.

The HISTORICAL AND CURRENT defination of a Natural Born Citisen is one who was born under the soldejurisdiction of the United States.

This is NOT just a defination WE use, it is used internationally in order to determine issues of citizenship. Anyone born to parents of two different nations can CHOOSE at adulthood which Nation to to be a citizen of. Case in point, an olympic skier who was born to a jamacan Father decided to officially take up the citizenship of his Jamacan father, even though he was born to an American Mother in America. It is the very issue of being able to CHOOSE that disqualifies one from being a Natural Born Citizen. An NBC CANNOT choose. They can apply for a different citizenship, and perhaps be denied. A son of a Jamacan can choose to get his official documentation and citizenship at any time. So to can Obama.

Obama was never for an instant a Natural Born Citizen.

From Leo Donofrio and his original research of original documents: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

John Bingham, aka “father of the 14th Amendment”, was an abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln’s assassins. Ten years earlier, he stated on the House floor:

“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))

Then in 1866, Bingham also stated on the House floor:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))


247 posted on 03/27/2011 9:02:59 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: TigersEye

IOW, I post a link to those who have verified the COLB, which you already know of, you attack the source as part of the conspiracy, attack the document as a fraud. See, I don’t really want to play this game. Why? It’s bs, that’s why. If the document is fake, that means Obama is guilty of forgery. One would think that the state of Hawaii would not look to kindly on that, unless everyone of any significance, including the republican former governor, is part of the conspiracy as well.


248 posted on 03/27/2011 9:03:43 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper ("I think Pravda has mor e sense and logic the our pretend journalists. " A Birther)
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To: Sacajaweau
Hey Sac, beware of the Trump bearing "gifts."

OK with asking about the Birth Certificate and other records. When he start getting into baby pictures and such, he puts the entire issue on mighty thin ice by making light of a serious issue.

Live by talk-show publicity. Die by talk-show publicity.
Trump has never uttered the words, "Natural Born Citizen." He has never asked why Barry and Michelle had to BOTH leave the Bar of the State of Illinois. To me, for a businessman used to dealing with lawyers, that is a major, if heretofore unasked question.

CAUTION!

249 posted on 03/27/2011 9:05:40 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (America might survive Obama. But it cannot survive with the kind of people who would vote for him.)
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To: reasonisfaith
Just because he might have gotten hold of something tangible against Obama doesn’t make Trump a real conservative:

But Trump is a capitalist which makes him a natural enemy of the Marxist Democrats and the Marxist Barack Obama. And Trump is Pro-American. I can't say that about Obama or his party.

250 posted on 03/27/2011 9:05:57 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: WinOne4TheGipper; patlin; rxsid

See post 247.

I am not going to give any crediblity to some persons interpretations of others interpretations of what was said.

Either quote directly or hush up.

Please sir, I am sincerely asking you to so some reading you are in clear need of. I respect your opinion, however you are over a year behind in research information. I know this because I am up on the research, though not as up on it as patlin and rxsid


251 posted on 03/27/2011 9:06:47 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Danae

You are citing quotations, not law. There is a difference and you are embarrassing yourself when you insist on posting this nonsense.


252 posted on 03/27/2011 9:09:19 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper ("I think Pravda has mor e sense and logic the our pretend journalists. " A Birther)
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To: reasonisfaith

253 posted on 03/27/2011 9:09:30 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: All
Here is a real Hawaii COLB. It doesn't look anything like the .jpeg Robert Gibbs put on the internet.


254 posted on 03/27/2011 9:09:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Danae

You are citing quotations, not law. There is a difference and you are embarrassing yourself when you insist on posting this nonsense.


255 posted on 03/27/2011 9:10:07 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper ("I think Pravda has mor e sense and logic the our pretend journalists. " A Birther)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
LOL I just quoted an uncontested statment given during the debates on the 14th Amendment, spoken by the father of the 14th Amendment, the man who largely WROTE it. Mr. John Bingham. Would you like a pic of the printed quote?
256 posted on 03/27/2011 9:12:39 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
If the document is fake, that means Obama is guilty of forgery. One would think that the state of Hawaii would not look to kindly on that, unless everyone of any significance, including the republican former governor, is part of the conspiracy as well.

Hawaii have their heads stuck where the sun doesn't shine. Lying on the Internet is not against the law. You're a fool. In the words of Roberta Gibbs, Obama's former mouth piece,

"Because for $15, you can get an Internet address and say whatever you want."

Which also goes for Obama's alleged COLB that Gibbs said he put on the Internet.

257 posted on 03/27/2011 9:12:59 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: patlin

Well in that case, by all means stop what you’re doing and seek help!


258 posted on 03/27/2011 9:14:21 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin is above taking the fake high road.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Oops forgot another link: http://books.google.com/books?id=wk0uAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA2791&dq=%22State+Department%22+%2B%22natural-born+citizen%22&hl=en&ei=EQpxTeupEI32gAePqsRD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=%22State%20Department%22%20%20%22natural-born%20citizen%22&f=false


259 posted on 03/27/2011 9:14:40 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
"To: Danae

You are citing quotations, not law. There is a difference and you are embarrassing yourself when you insist on posting this nonsense."


We see you have nothing but squat WinOne4Obama.

260 posted on 03/27/2011 9:15:15 PM PDT by Red Steel
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