International Support For The Libyan War Is Collapsing

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[TigerClaws]

Support for Operation Odyssey Dawn is withering. China, which abstained from voting for the UN resolution to bomb Libya, is now calling for an immediate cease-fire, according to the AP.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/libya-tuesday-march-22-2011-3#ixzz1HUT2FWnS

[USS Alaska]

It’s obvious that osamaobama spent more time researching and planning his ncaa bracket picks than he did on results of the act of war committed against the country of Libya.

[Cronos]

Let’s not forget the French sacrifice of nearly a million men at Verdun where they held back the imperial German Army. Or hark a hundred years earlier when France under Napoleon strode over Germania. Or in the 1600s when Louis XIV dominated Germany.

[tioga]

he has muddled his way into this mess and don’t expect him to lead the way out.....we are there....it is what it is....and I doubt anyone knows WHERE/WHAT that is, not even dearLeader.....and legal was just a term used about Bush’s war........the MSM will, in the end, provide cover to Odumbo.....just as certain SCOTUS members look to world laws, the left will look to the world for legitimacy of this war......not our own Constitution.....so illegal war, killing illegally is not even on the radar for most. there are many conservatives applauding this war.

when I find myself agreeing with Alan Colmes and Media Benjamin........I scare myself.

[FreedomPoster]

That, too, no doubt.

[jospehm20]

In WWI France had a lot of help holding Germany, if I recall correctly the Brits, Auusies, Russians, Italians among others were on the side of France. In the other examples Germany wasn’t a country yet and France was. Germany was a collection of small kingdoms back in those days.

[Cronos]

In WWI -- read the battle of Verdun, this was all French soldiers and the command was French. They held the Germans back.

For all the talk of British action, the British Expeditionary Force was a damp squib. The Island kingdom could stand back and let the French face off against the Germans (no cowardice -- this made sense as the Brits did not have enough soldiers -- their's was a professional army while the French and German armies had conscripts. The Brits would have wasted professional soldiers on this and they were better served elsewhere)

The Russians were fighting in their own war with the Austro-Hungarians and Germans on the Eastern Front, and couldn't spare help for Verdun.

The Italians joined in 1915 and this war was primarily against Austro-hungary, against whom the Italians had a border (no border with Germany)

Remember that Germany's aim in WWI was to quickly defeat the allies in Western Europe, settle a treaty and then attack the Russians

The French saved Western Europe because at that time, the Brits did not have the numbers to stop the Germans and the US was too isolationist to enter in the effort. If France had fallen in 1916, England would sign a treaty (remember the King and Kaiser were both grandsons of Queen Victoria) and the Russians would have been shortly dealt with. The French stand at Verdun "Thou shalt not pass" On ne passe pas

Verdun was planned as a vehicle for destroying the French Army.

on other points, Germany wasn't a unified country yet in 1805, but they had a strong, Spartan-like military state in Prussia that was swept aside and a huge empire in the Holy Roman Empire. The armies were as unified as anything on the continent, but they were all defeated by France.

Ditto for the 1600s when these patchwork of nations was still theoretically united under the Holy Roman empire.

France is not cowardly and it is wrong to just take their actions in 1941 to overwrite 1500 years of history. If anything, they are too quick to action -- stupid action that harms Western civilisation as a whole, but still action. Even 1941 can be understood in the context of the bleeding they suffered in 1914-1918 and the fact that much of the wars of the trenches, the millions dead were on French or Belgian soil

[jospehm20]

So you are saying that Russia forcing Germany to keep an entire Army in the East had nothing to do with helping the French hold? All righty. Every soldier that Russia or Italy drew away from France helped the French. Verdun was a close call for the Frogs. I believe that without Russian involvement, the whole thing would have been over in 1914. BTW Erwin Rommel was a German and he fought in Italy in WWI. Germans did fight there also.

[Cronos]

No -- because the Germans KNEW that. They PLANNED for that. Read the first German actions in WWI -- it was to contain the Russians and then turn to them once they had quickly completed the Battle of Marne.

The French hold was separate -- the Battle of Verdun was an offensive by the Germans, the French kept their hold. There was no plan by the Germans for breaking through, no plan to do anything but bleed the French.

There was not the "Russian involvement" you talk about rather Germany declared war on both East and West. This came about because Kaiser Wilhelm I was too arrogant to follow Bismark's plan of keeping Russia friendly to Germany -- he did not continue the Reinsurance Treaty in 1890.

the Italians fought the Austro-hungarians. The Austro-hungarians were not facing off against France, rather were fighting the Russians.

The Italian campaign involving Austro-Hungary and Italy only got German in 1917 -- after Verdun (which ended in 1916 dec)The Austrians received desperately needed reinforcements after the Eleventh Battle of the Isonzo from German Army soldiers rushed in after the Russian offensive ordered by Kerensky (Kerensky Offensive) of July 1917 failed.

[Allegra]

WTH kind of name is Operation Odyssey Dawn anyway???

[jospehm20]

Whatever. If it had been Germany vs. France, one on one, Frogs lose. Every time. Period.

[Cronos]

Germany only became a country in 1870 and there has NEVER been a one-on-one fight between France and this new nation-state of Germany

[Cronos]

Germany only became a country in 1870 and there has NEVER been a one-on-one fight between France and this new nation-state of Germany

[Cronos]

France and Germany by your standards (as you rejected the coalition of Germany states or the Holy Roman Empire as "not being united Germany") have only fought two wars -- and neither of them being one-on-one.

Population of France in 1914: 41 million, Germany 67 million -- a difference of over 50%. The French population only grew from 36 million to 41 million from 1870 to 1914, while in contrast, Germany's population grew from 24 million in 1870 to 67 million by 1914 (1910 census: 65 million).

Even then, the French held the German armies back at Verdun -- the Germans could have avoided a two-front war if they had renewed the Reinsurance treaty in 1890 and Russia would not have intervened -- remember that it was the German plan for this war.

A war between Germany (81 million) and France (67 million) is unthinkable and impossible now, but in the event of this now, the French have a far more active army (they keep getting involved in their pseudo colonies in West Africa) than the Germans so a straight fight would see a French victory right now.

[Cronos]

Though let me point out, I have no love for France. These guys have caused the downfall of Western civilisation a few times --

1. Philip the Fair who destroyed the Templars when they were needed to fight the Moslems
2. Louis XIV and earlier kings who allied with the Moslem Ottomans instead of getting involved in the Battle of Vienna to saved Christendom
3. In the Middle Ages by asserting their nation-state, in fact creating the first nation state and weakening Christendom
4. under the French Revolution becoming the starting font of the evils of secularism and anti-Christianity
5. under Napoleon destroying the Holy Roman Empire and causing problems throughout Europe
6. Fighting ALONGSIDE the English AND the Ottomans to prevent Mother Russia from restoring Constantinople to Christendom and restoring the Hagia Sophia as a Church
7. Bringing the world to war with their brinkmanship in the early part of the 1900s
8. Pulling the US into Vietnam
9. attempting to pull the US into the dead-end war in Libya

They have consistently been a problem, but in the interest of historical accuracy one must state that they are not cowards

[Rocky]

Obama was for the war in Libya before he was against it.

[jospehm20]

“A war between Germany (81 million) and France (67 million) is unthinkable and impossible now”

I did not see us getting into a kinetic military action with Lybia two weeks ago.

[Cronos]

illogical comparison. Libya does not border the US, the US does not do the majority of it's trade with Libya and they are not bound by the same economic union, passport union and currency union.

Do you foresee the US getting into a war with Canada anytime soon? the likelihood is lesser than for a Franco-German war

[Cronos]

Besides, do not divert. You said in post 50 Whatever. If it had been Germany vs. France, one on one, Frogs lose. Every time. Period.

I showed that this was wrong because:

1. Germany only became a country in 1870 and there has NEVER been a one-on-one fight between France and this new nation-state of Germany
2. France and Germany by your standards (as you rejected the coalition of Germany states or the Holy Roman Empire as "not being united Germany") have only fought two wars -- and neither of them being one-on-one.
3. Population of France in 1914: 41 million, Germany 67 million -- a difference of over 50%. The French population only grew from 36 million to 41 million from 1870 to 1914, while in contrast, Germany's population grew from 24 million in 1870 to 67 million by 1914 (1910 census: 65 million). Even then, the French held the German armies back at Verdun -- the Germans could have avoided a two-front war if they had renewed the Reinsurance treaty in 1890 and Russia would not have intervened -- remember that it was the German plan for action in WWI.

[Cronos]

Do you foresee the US getting into a war with Canada anytime soon? the likelihood is lesser than for a Franco-German war

Don't forget that Canada is technically the only country to have attacked US soil (they burnt down the white house in 1812)

[jospehm20]

It is not a comparison. I just stated that I would have though it very unlikely two weeks ago that we would eb fighting Libya today.

PS: Frogs suck!