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Who is a "natural born" citizen?
Vanity | 3-9-11 | Styx

Posted on 03/09/2011 7:59:31 AM PST by ixtl

Who is a natural born citizen?


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: certifigate; ibtz; naturalborncitizen
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In considering the question of Obama's birth certificate, it made me think. Just who is a natural born citizen? Is there a difference in a citizen (U. S. Constitution, Amendment 14, Section 1: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State in which they reside."), and a natgural born citizen (U. S. Constitution, Article II, Section 5: "No person except a natural born Citizen of the United States...shall be eligible to the Office of President..."). Does this mean a person who was born by Caeserean Section is not eligible? It certainly is not a "natural" birth? Just wondering.....
1 posted on 03/09/2011 7:59:33 AM PST by ixtl
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"Does this mean a person who was born by Caeserean Section is not eligible? It certainly is not a "natural" birth?

oh please...one thing about trolls...not much maturity among them.
2 posted on 03/09/2011 8:01:25 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: ixtl

No epidural?


3 posted on 03/09/2011 8:02:01 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: ixtl

I sense a bunny and a pancake.... coming to a thread near you....


4 posted on 03/09/2011 8:03:35 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: FrankR

Dis dude be natural born. I think!
http://tinyurl.com/4zja9uq


5 posted on 03/09/2011 8:03:43 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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Get 32 page Obama Eligibility Primer as pdf HERE

It's all explained.

6 posted on 03/09/2011 8:05:20 AM PST by all the best
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To: ixtl

Is ignorance transmittable, if it is you need to be quarantined.


7 posted on 03/09/2011 8:08:33 AM PST by org.whodat
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8 posted on 03/09/2011 8:08:46 AM PST by bushpilot1
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OMFG dude!!! You are so right. I totally never thought about that. On the other hand, what is the relationship between natural born and naturally conceived? Could one be not naturally conceived, yet still be naturally born? You bring up an amazing intellectual issue that must be carried forward. Did you send this to Hannity and Rush!!!! You totally gotta post more here, man.


9 posted on 03/09/2011 8:09:05 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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I smell ozone.


10 posted on 03/09/2011 8:09:31 AM PST by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 25 lbs in 3 weeks)
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Who is a natural born citizen?

For those intentionally obtuse; it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

Any other pointless word games?

11 posted on 03/09/2011 8:09:51 AM PST by laotzu
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I strongly urge you to do a search of NaturalBornCitizen. You will discover threads going back to early 2008 which will explain it.

We here at FR have covered this subject exhaustively. Basically, natural born citizen is a person born in a nation of citizen parents. In the United States this is not a statutory type of citizenship, but a requirement for eligibility to be President of the U.S.A.


12 posted on 03/09/2011 8:11:42 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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Don’t laugh. I remember when this one really fundamentalist Christian said that babies born via C-section would not go to Heaven because they weren’t “born of water” - (John3:5)


13 posted on 03/09/2011 8:12:46 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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Just who is ....

It depends on the meaning of the word “is”...ask Clinton!


14 posted on 03/09/2011 8:13:47 AM PST by FES0844
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15 posted on 03/09/2011 8:15:21 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: ixtl

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.


16 posted on 03/09/2011 8:16:10 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: armed and dangerous)
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To: all the best

Unfortuately in the very first sentances it shows it’s own BS

“Is Barack Obama constitutionally eligible for the “presidency?”

“We don’t know.”

We do know. He is not because he lacks parents who were both U.S. Citizens at the time of his birth.

Any male other than Obama Sr. who claims to be Obummer’s father will have to sue in court to establish legal paternity. But any other possible male is dead and can’t sue, so that is that.

The records that do exist will not support any other conclusion. Under the law you may be “fathered” by another and still be the son of the man who accepted you as his son.

biology doesn’t always equate legality.

thus, Obummer is not a natural born citizen

The only open question is, is he a citizen? and if so by what means?

The Big Boo


17 posted on 03/09/2011 8:17:00 AM PST by The Big Boo (Lone Wolf M/C)
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If you will forgive my immatureity, I will forgive yours.

Actually, I was somewhat serious. Article II says ‘natural,’ not ‘native.’ There is a difference.


18 posted on 03/09/2011 8:17:22 AM PST by ixtl (You live and learn; or you don't live long.)
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The 14th amendment did not cover Natural Born Citizenship( birthright citizenship), it only covered those who have citizenship by statue(law).

“Natural Born citizenship” born to parents whom are U.S. Citizens
“14th amendment citizen” born with partial allegiance to the U.S. ( one parent, parents who are immigrants)

obama ,even if he was born in Hawaii( unlikely) he still would be ineligible to be the President.

obama was probably born in Kenya to a underage mother who could not convey citizenship in 1961 and thus makes obama a kenyan national.

19 posted on 03/09/2011 8:18:27 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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Educate yourself. Here's a primer:
Defining Natural-Born Citizen
Then enlighten your friends.
20 posted on 03/09/2011 8:18:53 AM PST by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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