Maybe it's because if he really was born in August 1961 he would have been too young to be in grade three?
Posted on 03/04/2011 5:18:31 PM PST by syc1959
Please see my comment, #35, about that photo. It’s really very likely Barry was merely visiting his grandparents for Christmas and stopped by the school to say to old classmates.
He made no particular mention in his book of a 1969 visit to Hawaii, but that’s hardly unusual. I’d classify it as one of his typical lies of omission - like his trip to Paahkeestaahn and other countries just after his move to New York City to attend Columbia.
Most of what we know about his life and history is not because what’s in “Dreams From My Father” - it’s because people have researched, dug, picked up clues - and dug some more. And most of what’s been discovered falls into the category of Barry’s lies of omission - which, relative to him, in reality constitutes deliberate lies of deception. He’s a faker and a fraud.
A former Manoa resident sent President Barack Obama an old photo of the two of them taken while they were third-grade classmates at Noelani Elementary School, requesting an autograph more than six months ago. He recently received the autographed picture back, as well as a personally signed thank-you note.
Widely published biographies say Obama lived in Indonesia from 1967 through 1971, and none mention his third-grade year at Noelani, Inoue acknowledges. But he said Obama attended at least part of his third-grade year at Noelani in 1969, perhaps during a visit back to Hawaii, and moved away.
Operative phrases: “taken while they were third-grade classmates at Noelani Elementary School,”
“he said Obama attended at least part of his third-grade year at Noelani in 1969, perhaps during a visit back to Hawaii,”
Must have been a long visit — but why, and why isn’t it mentioned in “Dreams...”?
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Are you saying you remeber it first hand or are you saying you remember hearing about it?
I tried to check out this debate with Alan Keyes. First off there definitely would be a recording. I believe my conclusion was that the rumor was false. Alan Keyes has never mentioned it and he has been asked I am sure.
That would have been something.
I had not seen that photo with an article saying they had been classmates. That would certainly indicate Barry was in Hawaii in 1969 for a longer period than just Christmastime.
Assuming the school would have been closed for the actual “Christmas vacation” recess, the photo would most likely have been taken prior to that recess starting. There are those drawings of Christmas trees on the wall in back of the boys - clearly pre-Christmas art projects. As I recall from my school days, and my kids’ school days, the teachers went in during the recess and took down all the Christmas decorations. A “clear” room for the start of the new year, so to speak.
It’s too bad little Scott and his mother couldn’t have had a clue as to the potential importance of their remembering in precise detail everything about Barry’s presence in Hawaii. It’s extremely helpful for our side that she, or Scott [whichever] even came up with the photo - don’t you just know Obama’s initial reaction was to curl up fetal-style and suck his thumb?! Obie knows we all are out here, digging and analyzing - he doesn’t know, however, how many more “Scotts” might be as well.
Maybe it's because if he really was born in August 1961 he would have been too young to be in grade three?
“...if he was really born in August 1961 he would have been too young to be in grade three?”
Maaaaybe. It depends on the school system. In that era the age for starting kindergarten varied even between school systems within the same state. My 5 kids all started in New York State, in three different towns and therefore school systems. The local boards determined what was known as the “cut-off date”. The cut-off date was the calendar date by which the child had to be 5 years old.
How it applies: Kid #1 was born 11/26/59, so he turned 5 years old on 11/26/64. The “cut-off” date where we lived was December 15th. Because he had turned 5 before Dec. 15th, he started kindergarten that school year: Sept. 1964.
So his age on his first day of school was 4 years, 9 months, and a few days. So for most of his kindergarten year he was 5years old. 1st grade: 6; 2nd grade: 7; 3rd grade: 8.
Another son was born 12/17/64. He would turn 5 years old on 12/17/69. Two days AFTER the 12/15 cut-off date - so he could not start kindergarten until the NEXT school year: 1970. When he started school in Sept. 1970, he was 5 years, 8 months, and a few weeks old. So for most of his kindergarted year he was 6 years old. 1st grade: 7; 2nd grade: 8; 3rd grade: 9.
Another school system we lived in had a cut-off date in June - so kids were at least 5 years, 3 months old before starting [and less likely to get of to a shakey start because of immaturity - this being before the days of working moms/daycare/early street-smarts].
We could probably find out the Honolulu schools’ present cut-off date. I’ve a feeling, however, that inquiries about the 1966 school year would result in the “Sorry - records lost, and anyone who might remember has died” routine.
Whatever, for Barry to have been in third grade at Christmastime [Christmas tree drawings on wall in photo background] of 1969, he would have to have started kindergarten in Sept. 1966 - at age 5 years, ~ 1 month. Very possible - but depending on the Honolulu cut-odd date.
As far as Barry not mentioning [”Dreams”] being in Hawaii for any part of his 3rd grade year - he also made no mention of being in kindergarten in Hawaii in that book, either. Could be wrong on that. IIRC, he didn’t talk about elementary schooling until in relation to Indonesia.
Apologies - my post #47 should have also been to Natural Born 54...
THANKS for that information. There appear to be many variables. I ran a search through ‘Dreams’ and the first reference to school in Hawaii appears to be Punahou, I could find nothing else.
“...cut-odd date” = cut-oFF date.
Sheesh...
What this comment from barry the bastard boils down to is, his only connection in ‘childhood’ to Kenya is his birth there. No other scenario fits the comment from the lying vermin scum. His own Ayers-authored autobio says nothing about childhood in Kenya, so the only connection to his childhood could be birth there.
No problem, I read it anyway.
The most common cut off date in my experience of looking at them in a number of different states is Sept. 1. A child must be 6 by that date for first grade or 5 by that date for kindergarten.
As far as skipping a grade because the child is ahead of the pack or may have just missed the cut-off date by days, what I have found to be the most common approach is the school system will advance the child in the 3rd or 4th grade. They like to see some history, both academic and emotional before making the decision.
Little Barry, where ever he was, did his school time without any grade skipping for sure. There weren’t any teleprompters he could rely on back then to tell him what to think and say.
Yep - no teleprompters. But I’d not be surprised to learn he organized the 1st graders into a union, collected dues, and made the smart ones take the tests for him. Hell’s bells - he was probably doing that at Haahvaad.
And accusing the kids of racism if they didn’t do his bidding.
Without a doubt! LOL :)))
There have been two or three people on FR who heard the debate and heard the exchange. One of them corresponded with me on a thread not too long ago. If I remember tomorrow I’ll try to dig it up.
I can’t see that referring to ‘... more of a childhood than in Kenya’ rules out a birth of a child in Kenya. There are dots and timelines as well as travel reports and reports from Kenya which are facts but not officially connected that also indicate possible if not probable birth of a child in Kenya.
I can’t see that referring to ‘... more of a childhood than in Kenya’ rules out a birth of a child in Kenya. There are dots and timelines as well as travel reports and reports from Kenya which are facts but not officially connected that also indicate possible if not probable birth of a child in Kenya.
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