BYU boots star basketball player for pre-marital sex

, Gov. Wilder of Virginia pardoned (?) a guy from criminal acts because he was a basketball player.

Allen Iverson is the thug in question.

With that ethos, though...you could never marry a Christian, as sex before marriage is explicitly forbidden.

Ed

(Yeah, you be sure you convey to all your future dates that they are comparable to a car test drive & that you continue to plan to test a lot of vehicles before you "traffick" in one particular vehicle that you'll buy like property...great winsomeness...and if you're still single...well, we understand why)

I celebrate my 20th wedding anniversary on June 21, 2011.

(Gee. Why stop @ hundreds...? Why not follow the "LA Laker 'test drive' plan?") First you could follow the "Wilt Chamberlain Plan" & sleep with literally thousands... But, of course, you can't always tell a "lemon" by the mere surface qualities that you seem to seek... So just a reminder that the "Magic Johnson plan" isn't always so "magical"... You might be "testing" a lemon with a freeway drive only to have her stall on you in the middle of the commuter lane in LA...

My wife's parents got hitched on the "buy it on faith" plan of sexual compatibility. Her "sex" talk from Mom, the earnest virgin on her own wedding night? "Dear, sex is just one of those messy little chores you have to do once in awhile--there's no getting out of it."

I am so glad my girlfriend, and eventual wife, had sought to find out for herself that by contrast her parents' love life had all of the appeal of a life sentence of rolling in a pile of manure.

Would anyone really be surprised to hear that after 25 or so years of "messy little chores," apparently performed with the implied singular lack of enthusiasm, (and for all I know, maybe his technique is lacking in its own right), that my f-i-l had an ill-considered affair with a more "sexually exciting" woman? Kids were no longer the glue there--just time in service--and it melted away fast with certain facets of the remnant relationship being long suboptimal.

I would, and did, face the personal perils of pre-marital "fornication," with my eventual wife, and I'd do it again were I to have a second go around. Sexual naivete, dissatisfaction, and the rut of total repression is a hell on earth of a person's own making or of one's sexually incompatible partner. Too many people have only too late experienced the let down of bad sexual chemistry founded upon a false premise that "things will work themselves out" ONLY AFTER they've eternally contracted with and bought their pig in a poke--or cheating would never be heard of, especially in the gossip before and after services every weekend.

To act as if premarital chastity is some sort of panacea to "stepping out" is to totally ignore the ineffective outcomes that one encounters.

What’s theologically forbidden and what occurs in reality are two very different things of course.

It will be great if the young man takes the school’s moral code seriously, marries the mother of his child, has a dozen more children, and lives happily ever after. Statistically, he has a better chance at that if he gets a business or civil engineering degree than if he tries to be a pro basketball player.

I think most people would disagree with you.

I was referring to the babe in your pic ...

I graduated Medical School in 1985 and shacking up was not accepted then either. I still do not accept it. Now people live together and move from one relationship shacking up to another. I do not understand why any woman would agree to those terms. I never would. I was in my second year of residency and my future husband was going to have to go to NJ for 2 years of residency. I told him if he wanted me to go we were going to get married first. We did and we are.

Now where do you suppose young people today are more likely to get an education beneficial to society? Porno U or Brigham Young? I'll bet on the Mormons.

Wow! (I didn't know our choices were limited to Porno U. vs. the the guy who taught for over 20 years that the character in the garden, Adam was god...and that some sins can't be atoned for by Jesus your blood shed for them is more "sacred" than Christ's)

And what's so sacro-sanct about a university like BYU that teaches "anecdotal ghost stories" as formal BYU freshman courses...the following describes a man who is supposedly seeing dead spirits -- 300 of them -- pop in and out of view in the Mormon temple @ Manti as Mormons dead dunk dead people by proxy:

In partial answer to the question, let us review a journal entry written by Charles R. Woodbury after he had “witnessed 300 baptisms one day” in the Manti Temple: As a name was called out for baptism, a voice said to me, “This person has had the Gospel taught them and is converted and is ready for baptism.” Another name would be called out, “This person’s never heard the Gospel yet.” Another name would be called, “This person’s heard the Gospel and is not converted.” I sat there in that condition and witnessed 300 baptisms. I knew everyone of them that had accepted it and those that didn’t…25 out of the 300 weren’t ready for it. They weren’t converted and ready for the work. The rest of them, the other 275 were prepared and rejoiced that their work was being done. This is the testimony that I have to show people that the departed spirits know and appreciate when their work is done in the Temple, so they can enjoy the blessings of the Gospel (Woodbury, 1970, p. 19).
Source: RELIGIOUS EDUCATION C261 Introduction to LDS Family History (Genealogy) Student Syllabus BYU Fall 2006

(Yeah, that's what we want for freshman...Ghosthustlers 101...who ya gonna call?? Ghosthustlers!...In the Mormon neighborhood...when you're fillin' good...Who ya gonna call? Ghosthustlers!)

Mormons are down on pre-marital sex, up on procreation and post-marital sex.

On the one Mormons are "up" on procreation both statistically and fulfilling a theology where they believe spirits born to a harem of a man-god await bodies down here...so ya better get bizzzy bizzzy bizzzy in the bedroom!

On the other hand, Mormons directly disobey the "revelation" of Joseph Smith, who canonized this following statement as Mormon "scripture": "Let your families be small..." (Doctrine & Covenants 90:25)

So...Mormons, perhaps all those zzz's in the bedroom in the phrase above ... bizzzy bizzzy bizzzy ... should just be zzz zzz zzz in the bedroom![Only contradiction #1 million in the Mormon church]

up on procreation

One of Glenn Beck's fave Mormon authors he has mentioned on the air is W. Cleon Skousen. (I wonder if Beck believes Skousen's "pro-family" view on parenthood? -- That parenthood = godhood???)

“Mortality made it possible for us to be endowed with the powers of procreation for the first time…The divine power of procreation is described by the Lord as being a fundamental quality of Godhood. In fact, eternal parenthood is Godhood” (The First 2000 Years, pp. 39-40).

To unpack Skousen, what's he saying here?
Perhaps you've seen the Lds bumper sticker, "Families are forever" Lds get that from Joseph Smith's Doctrine & Covenants D&C 132 re: "eternal marriage."
Well Skousen used the same section --vv. 19-20 to teach eternal parenthood. (The thing is those verses also teach polygamy)
What did Skousen mean by his reference to "mortality" and "procreation for the first time"? Lds believe that by Adam & Eve sinning, it wasn't simply a "fall" -- it was a "fall upward" -- an event to be "celebrated." (see quote below) Why? Because they believe that it was only by mankind sinning that they could die -- becoming "mortal." And that by becoming "mortal" they could rise to godhood. (They get this in part from the Book of Mormon -- a phrase that reads, "Adam fell that men might be..." [it doesn't say be what...Mormons fill in the blank on that] Anyway, Skousen didn't believe that God made Eve able to reproduce until she fell; that falling was a good thing.

In this way, Mormons have the absolute wacky understanding that the world's evils were something the Mormon god wanted man to do:

The Lds church in one of its priesthood manuals calls the Fall a "Great Blessing" while one of its general authorities, Dallin Oaks, wrote: "Some Christians condemn Eve for her act, concluding that she and her daughters are somehow flawed by it. Not the Latter-day Saints! Informed by revelation, we CELEBRATE Eve's act and HONOR her with wisdom and courage in the GREAT episode called the FALL." ("The Choice that Began Mortality" Liahona, 2002)

Only in Mormonism are wars, murders, hate, idolatry, racism, rape, incest, sexual abuse, lust, theft, and other consequences of the fall a blessing to be celebrated.

ALL: Count how many worldview presumptions Goldsborough makes in these statements:

Sexual naivete, dissatisfaction, and the rut of total repression is a hell on earth of a person's own making or of one's sexually incompatible partner. Too many people have only too late experienced the let down of bad sexual chemistry founded upon a false premise that "things will work themselves out" ONLY AFTER they've eternally contracted with and bought their pig in a poke--or cheating would never be heard of, especially in the gossip before and after services every weekend.

#1 - Goldsborough presumes that pre-marital satisfaction -- say pre-marital "satisfaction" of a couple in their 20s somehow = lifelong marital "satisfaction"...

(Hmm...I wonder how many couples in their 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. would like to talk to you about that bankrupt notion)

#2 - What are the sexual ailments Goldsborough Ids there:
(a) "Sexual 'naivete'"-- which itself is a thoroughly subjective phrase because it can range from...
...a woman "failing" to major in Hollywood porn 101 or Nevada Brothels 201...
...to a woman who simply dislikes treating sexuality as an "artform" [in the movie, the 10 Commandments, the character playing Moses' wife makes a statement about Jewish wives who aren't like Egyptian wives that treat set as an art...]
(b) "Sexual dissatisfaction"
(c) "rut of total repression"
(d) "bad sexual chemistry"

Seems to me Goldsborough is saying there that if a person grades their spouse as having a...
..."D" in chemistry...
...an audit "no grade" in repression...
...a "D" or "F" in that moving tartet of "satisfaction"
...or a "repeat the grade level" in naivete'...
...why who is really then to "blame" for "cheating" (as he said "or cheating would never be heard of".

Perhaps you should open up a Cheating Licensing School where you could issue licences to cheaters. Why it'd probably alleviate some of the guilt.

I'd suggest for you pre-license courses like "Partner Blame 101"

(I think if you talked to enough marriage counselors they'd tell you the majority of their cases involves a double problem -- and the problem extends well beyond the bedroom...)

#1 - Goldsborough presumes that pre-marital satisfaction -- say pre-marital "satisfaction" of a couple in their 20s somehow = lifelong marital "satisfaction"...

The only presumption on my part is that knowing is far better than not knowing. You disagree, and that's fine by me.

As to the rest of your incoherent post? Amateur hour psycho-babble.