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Aggies reject guns on campus [Texas A&M referendum]
Bryan/College Station Eagle ^ | March 2, 2011 | Vimal Patel

Posted on 03/02/2011 8:50:05 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative

Aggies on Tuesday shot down an effort to support concealed-carry legislation, voting like they did two years ago, this time opposing it with 57 percent of more than 13,600 votes cast.

The vote was only symbolic, but it affirmed academia's generally solid opposition to pending legislation that would allow concealed-carry permit holders to carry handguns in Texas university buildings.

"There's a lot of potential for trouble if college students were allowed to have guns inside the buildings on campus," said business student Ryan Haltom, Class of 2014, moments after the result was read. He voted no.

An April 2009 referendum at Texas A&M found that 5,700 Texas A&M students -- or 54 percent of those surveyed -- opposed concealed carry on campus.

-- SNIP (rest of article is on other topics) --

(Excerpt) Read more at theeagle.com ...


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To: RightOnTheBorder
Does anyone think that this really represents the views of the student body?

It represents the views of those who voted. If you don't vote, it can be argued that your views are irrelevant.

21 posted on 03/02/2011 9:26:00 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Interesting — kinda cute, actually.

But apparently not very effective if they were meant to be pro-concealed carry.


22 posted on 03/02/2011 9:26:50 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: texson66

I gotta say that I’m surprised to hear this sh*t coming out of Texas, though...

But then again, much like Venereal Disease and amoebic dysentery, liberals and their insanity are everywhere.

Just continually amazes me WHY people tolerate them and their stupidity, especially when it comes to potential life-or-death situations.

F*** ‘em all. Don’t leave your “American Express” at home. Ever.


23 posted on 03/02/2011 9:27:06 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Excellent point, and thank for saying that.

Please repeat it next year when a bunch of FReepers decide to sit home and pout when their candidate doesn’t get nominated.


24 posted on 03/02/2011 9:28:51 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
You sound like you’re trying to argue about this instead of just discuss it.

I do have strong opinions about this, but you see it as an argument because your strong opinions don't agree with mine. Sorry, I can't help that.

I bring up the Va. Tech example because it is the basis for the CCW proposal. Those proposing this legislation are determined that someone like Cho will never get his kind of body count again.

25 posted on 03/02/2011 9:29:42 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Sooth2222

The real issue is this - that 46% have just as much right to protect their own lives as the 54% have to commit voluntary suicide by NOT protecting their lives.

It’s NOT a “consensus” issue.

For me, personally, I don’t give a flying f*** what the “majority” says or cares about or thinks regarding my right to protect my family and my self.

My life, and the living of it, are my own, and I WILL use the most expediant means of defending it should the situation arise. Period.

The minute you ask for “permission” you cede the high ground to the assh*le wannabe “rulers” of society.

That’s pretty much why we are we are right now...we played nicey-nice with people who hate us, hate what we love, and hate what we hold dear - instead of smacking them down at every opportunity and occasion.

It’s time to stop being polite and start telling them where to shove their stupidity.


26 posted on 03/02/2011 9:36:20 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

“...Those proposing this legislation are determined that someone like Cho will never get his kind of body count again...”

And those with any sense of reality (generally conservatives) WILL be armed, no matter WHAT the “consensus” or “the majority” think, to GUARANTEE that the next Cho doesn’t have that kind of body count.


27 posted on 03/02/2011 9:41:18 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Texas Aggies, what did anyone suspect from them?

They think a three hole brick is a Texas bowling ball.

They played the Arkansas Razorbacks at Little Rock. In the 4th quarter someone in the crowd blew a whistle, the Razorbacks thought the game was over and left the field. Three plays later the Aggies finally scored a touchdown!

On their way back to College Station thy saw a sign that said CLEAN RESTROOMS AHEAD. They cleaned about twenty before they got home.

Then there was the little Arkansas boy staying with his uncle in Texas one summer when he threw a rock and killed a rabid dog attacking a Texas child.

A newsman, looking for a story, asked about how the boy’s father felt about it, the boy said he didn’t know where his father was.
Then he asked the boy if he loved the Aggies, the boy replied that he rooted for the Razorbacks.

Next day the Aggie papers had the headline....LITTLE BA$TARD FROM ARKANSAS KILLS BELOVED FAMILY PET!

My niece graduated from College Station...


28 posted on 03/02/2011 9:46:39 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: fwdude
Not surprised. I knew that Texas A&M had fallen to the Leftists when they allowed a Gay Student Center on campus.

it started before that.. generally all the profs thing the "traditions" are stupid and make fun of them. The bonfire could be brought back but it would just be another stupid tradition. They have male and female dorms and the ones that are exclusively one sex are the crappier ones.

The problem with a lot of the profs is that they think that in order to be "cool" or "enlightened" they have to act like the douchetards in Austin and become UT on the Brazos.

29 posted on 03/02/2011 9:50:10 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Except that I don’t have “strong opinions” on the subject.

:-)


30 posted on 03/02/2011 9:50:29 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: fwdude
Not surprised. I knew that Texas A&M had fallen to the Leftists when they allowed a Gay Student Center on campus.

it started before that.. generally all the profs think the "traditions" are stupid and make fun of them. The bonfire could be brought back but it would just be another stupid tradition. They have male and female dorms and the ones that are exclusively one sex are the crappier ones.

The problem with a lot of the profs is that they think that in order to be "cool" or "enlightened" they have to act like the douchetards in Austin and become UT on the Brazos.

31 posted on 03/02/2011 9:50:35 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
I would bet that if this same poll was taken when I attended ('84 - '89), the result would have been the opposite.

Lots more PC-types at Aggieland these days.

32 posted on 03/02/2011 9:53:59 AM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Aggies on Tuesday shot down an effort to support concealed-carry legislation, voting like they did two years ago, this time opposing it with 57 percent of more than 13,600 votes cast.

Just curious, but what was it two years ago? I'd would not be surprised if this vote constitutes an improvement, especially because the article did not cite the prior results.

33 posted on 03/02/2011 10:03:33 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Dick Vomer

You are most accurate. I was in the Corp of Cadets for a while (80’s), and the condescending attitude toward members was palpable.


34 posted on 03/02/2011 10:06:56 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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35 posted on 03/02/2011 10:08:02 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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Well, I guess not...

An April 2009 referendum at Texas A&M found that 5,700 Texas A&M students -- or 54 percent of those surveyed -- opposed concealed carry on campus. Source

36 posted on 03/02/2011 10:08:13 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: NFHale
The year we had a near lunatic on campus Student Affairs confirmed he had guns in his apartment and the college had one of those rules against guns, but chose not to enforce it. Don't want to upset the crazies. During that time I carried my 1911 in my briefcase or placed it in my desk. I was the V. P. for Business Affairs.
37 posted on 03/02/2011 10:08:17 AM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

A&M ain’t what it used to be. And watching Gates work for the kenyan proves it’s been going down hill for a while. Sounds like they been doin’ a little tea sippin’ in Austin. Won’t be long before the Aggies girls will also have purple hair.


38 posted on 03/02/2011 10:14:53 AM PST by Terry Mross (We need a SECOND party.)
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To: crusty old prospector

Just damn!!! ;-)

I guess iot would be a moot point to make that that other school there in Austin probably didn’t need to vote on this issue...

The timing was incredible on one of the anniversaries of the shooting there, that a group was standing underneath the tower and someone looked up as a long dark pole like object presented itself between the ediface up on the catwalk around the top of the tower...

People screamed, ran to take cover...

Turned out it was a janitor mopping the walkway up there, doing his job with a dark handled mop...


39 posted on 03/02/2011 10:22:00 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative; Sooth2222; fwdude; Texaggie79; Jedidah; NFHale

When my college (Linfield College) passed the typical gun control rule I sent the below letter.

Your decision against legal concealed carry memorializes the anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings with practiced irrationality. You replicate the same comforting environment Seung-Hui Cho embraced, while asserting psychopaths must cower before a rule forbidding licensed students to carry pistols.

A rigorous, twenty-year study by John Lott and William Landes from University of Chicago Law School supports expanded concealed carry in public places. Passage of shall issue laws correlates with large decreases in multiple victim shootings, and reduced harm when shootings actually occur. Use of citizen deadly force makes startling interruptions causing assailants to abandon or improvise assaults. Police then respond to incidences in progress, instead of arriving for body counts and paperwork.

Also important were absences of shootings. Public place shootings provide perpetrators leading roles in malevolent fantasies. Previously imagined screams and explosions suddenly penetrate their beings, embellished by intimate, self-created visual stimuli of human terror, bloody mists, broken bodies, culminating in splendid, convulsive suicides at their chosen moment. The latent presence of armed citizens provides a deterrent disqualifying those places, and leading prospective murderers to abandon fantasies, or to seek a supportive “gun free” environment.

Rather than invite or allow licensed individuals, it seems more comforting for public officials and media to weave pleasing elusions around an occasional Columbine, Omaha mall or Virginia Tech, than recognize repeated cases of armed citizens thwarting violence. The Linfield campus shall become an official island of contentment for predators, during the ten-minute plus police response time.


40 posted on 03/02/2011 10:23:53 AM PST by Retain Mike
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