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To: Red Badger

Ah traditions! perhaps the jewish religion should contemplate ending this
“tradition” as it most surely is a form of genital mutilation...the basis for the “tradition” is what? where in religious writings does god say to cut a male infant’s foreskin?...isn’t it a tradition born out of hygene, not religious text or dogma?


48 posted on 02/22/2011 7:50:58 AM PST by formoversubstance (formoversubstance)
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To: formoversubstance
Ah traditions! perhaps the jewish religion should contemplate ending this “tradition” as it most surely is a form of genital mutilation...the basis for the “tradition” is what? where in religious writings does god say to cut a male infant’s foreskin?...isn’t it a tradition born out of hygene, not religious text or dogma?

I'd recommend you be mindful of your tone on FR. You're new as of less than a month ago, and this sort of comment will get you the ZOT.

That being said, tradition is all we have to stand on in the way of the rise of secular humanism. Tradition is why the Catholic church has stood in the way of allowing Priests to marry for over 2000 years. Tradition is why America has been a God-fearing, Christian nation of prosperity and worth for over 200 years. Tradition is necessary to faith, or we lose our identity.

What you call "genital mutilation" is something embraced by most of the civilized world.

53 posted on 02/22/2011 8:08:37 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: formoversubstance

Genesis 17
The Covenant of Circumcision
1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty[a]; walk before me faithfully and be blameless. 2 Then I will make my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers.”

3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram[b]; your name will be Abraham,[c] for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

15 God also said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. 16 I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her.”

17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!”

19 Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.[d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.” 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.

23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him. 24 Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised, 25 and his son Ishmael was thirteen; 26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that very day. 27 And every male in Abraham’s household, including those born in his household or bought from a foreigner, was circumcised with him.


56 posted on 02/22/2011 8:37:48 AM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: formoversubstance

“Ah traditions! perhaps the jewish religion should contemplate ending this “tradition” as it most surely is a form of genital mutilation...the basis for the “tradition” is what? where in religious writings does god say to cut a male infant’s foreskin?...isn’t it a tradition born out of hygene, not religious text or dogma?”

No. God is quite unambiguous in the Old Testament about the issue. It is not a “tradition” for observant Jews but a requirement. It is optional for Christians.

Whether circumcision was required of Gentile converts to Christianity was a fairly big issue among first Century Christians.


58 posted on 02/22/2011 8:44:12 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: formoversubstance

“Ah traditions! perhaps the jewish religion should contemplate ending this
“tradition” as it most surely is a form of genital mutilation...the basis for the “tradition” is what? where in religious writings does god say to cut a male infant’s foreskin?...isn’t it a tradition born out of hygene, not religious text or dogma?”

It is NOT a tradition, it IS law and it is very, very clear that this is the case. A quick Google of “Jewish circumcision obligation” will lead you to Genesis 17:13: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0117.htm#13

Clearly, there are no rocket scientists or brain surgeons in your family.


64 posted on 02/22/2011 9:11:04 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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