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To: muawiyah; HiTech RedNeck
The Chinese actually have a "gene"that enables them to make use of TONE more readily than non-Chinese.

you are a veritable font of information, muawiyah! I did not know that. I know that Cantonese has tones, but Mandarin not so much (how much I don't know).

interestingly the Yakuts have the coldest places to live on earth -- the basin of the river Lena reached -60 C this winter.
38 posted on 02/22/2011 4:46:11 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Cronos

Huh, so Japanese does have ties to Indo-European via Turkic. Japan did borrow China’s symbols, but apparently didn’t use the Chinese meanings.


39 posted on 02/22/2011 4:49:17 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Cronos

Tones mean something even in English. They can demarcate the difference between a statement and a question, and between sarcasm/irony and ordinary speech.


43 posted on 02/22/2011 4:55:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Cronos
Thankfully I've been studying the people who live along the Lena for many years ~ when Dr. Mann came along with his tree ring data that he claimed showed substantial warming I could not help but notice the samples came from Yakuts/Sakha country along the Lena!

He faked it ~ that place is so nasty that people find it nearly impossible to engage in any occupations other than hunting wild animals for fur and meat, herding hardy beasts, and mining underground.

It doesn't take much to send the "native tribes " EAST or SOUTH to find better pasture or warmer weather ~ although they are mighty peculiar since they consider it "cold" when it gets down there in the low MINUS Fifties!

They've been slipping out of there for thousands of years ~ yet, when they escaped India/Nepal in the 200AD period they went right back up to Siberia, so they must have understood their traditional trade routes well (they intersect the Eastern reaches of the "Silk Road"). I'm guessing they maintained those routes even during multi-century long sojourns in China, India and Siberia ~ and only lost that knowledge when they went East to Korea and Japan.

48 posted on 02/22/2011 5:00:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cronos
I always thought there were 4 Chinese tones (that I could hear anyway). Seems there are 8, and may well have been more in the past.

The Hokien language (spoken widely from Thailand, through Indonesia and Malaysia, as well as in Hokien and Taiwan) has "regional dialects" that use ALL 8 old form tones! Of course they also have a vocabulary that is about 30% Dutch in origin. Makes for some interesting listening!

52 posted on 02/22/2011 5:10:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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