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71 posted on 02/17/2011 7:22:14 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; topcat54; The Theophilus
What happened to your teeth? Have you tried to get new false teeth made?

As I said
the Edomites were conquered by the Israelites in 150 BC by Judas Maccabees.

They were merged with the Israelites and became the Idumeans after being converted to Judaism

Herod the Great was one such Idumean

The Idumeans died out defending Jerusalem against the armies of Titus and Vespasian in 69 AD

every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter. happened in 69 AD

upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. --> yes, they died to save Jerusalem and they had already merged to a large extent with the JEws

Read 1 Maccabees to understand this that this has already happened by 69 AD.

the lands of the Idumeans were then possesed by the Nabateans who made their captial in the former Edomite capital Petra


72 posted on 02/17/2011 7:28:50 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Quix

You do realise that Obadiah is not quoted at all in the NT, except perhaps an allusion in Revelation 11:15 and the allusion is very vague with the language substantially differing.


73 posted on 02/17/2011 7:30:08 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Quix
You do realise that Obadiah is not quoted at all in the NT, except perhaps an allusion in Revelation 11:15 and the allusion is very vague with the language substantially differing.

On what basis do you refer to Obadiah if it is not referred to at all in the NT? There is no direct quotation or reference.
75 posted on 02/17/2011 7:39:42 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Quix
You do realise that Obadiah is not quoted at all in the NT, except perhaps an allusion in Revelation 11:15 and the allusion is very vague with the language substantially differing.

On what basis do you refer to Obadiah if it is not referred to at all in the NT? There is no direct quotation or reference.

One of the strange things is also that Obadiah is considered by the Talmud to have been an Edomite himself and a descendant of Eliphas
79 posted on 02/17/2011 7:54:43 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Quix
Nice map and links, however, Obadiah is not quoted at all in the NT, except perhaps an allusion in Revelation 11:15 and the allusion is very vague with the language substantially differing.

On what basis do you refer to Obadiah if it is not referred to at all in the NT? There is no direct quotation or reference at all in NT, forget about Jesus not quoting from it -- on what basis do you hold it to be canonical at all?

One of the strange things is also that Obadiah is considered by the Talmud to have been an Edomite himself and a descendant of Eliphas
80 posted on 02/17/2011 7:56:23 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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