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Breaking News & LIVE THREAD #3 - CRISIS IN EGYPT (Mubarak Resigns)
Various
| 11 February 2011
Posted on 02/11/2011 3:41:44 AM PST by SE Mom
From the BBC:
-A huge crowd has gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square for Friday prayers and a mass demonstration against Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak.
-Mr Mubarak defied protesters on Thursday, vowing to hold on to power until presidential elections in September.
-His speech drew a strong response from US President Barack Obama, who said Egypt needed a "clear and unequivocal" transition of power.
TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: egypt; mubarak; muslimbrotherhood
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To: daisy mae for the usa
so do I. I too would love to see it be true.
461
posted on
02/11/2011 11:52:02 AM PST
by
ColdOne
To: ColdOne
“I am more frustrated than angry. It is mind numbing for me to see all these people think they will have democracy.”
They DON`T WANT a democracy. They are cheering because they want an islamist theocracy to replace Mubaraks dictatorship.
To: chessplayer
Those protesting do...but they are a small number of Egyptian citizens, perhaps 1-2%. Do they speak for all 80 million? I doubt it.
To: chessplayer
They DON`T WANT a democracy. They are cheering because they want an islamist theocracy to replace Mubaraks dictatorship. I realize this. I am speaking of the MSM thinking this is the Berlin Wall Moment.
464
posted on
02/11/2011 12:01:24 PM PST
by
ColdOne
To: Uncle Ike; onyx; HollyB; HushTX
Gag. Merkel is really good on some things- but it’s times like this that I wonder how well heads of government really understand the world AS IT IS.
Speaking of which- here’s a MUST READ for us all:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2672237/posts
I have this awful sensation we’ve just witnessed a wholly media driven coup.
465
posted on
02/11/2011 12:01:24 PM PST
by
SE Mom
(Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
To: daisy mae for the usa
Those protesting do...but they are a small number of Egyptian citizens, perhaps 1-2%. And where did you get THAT information? Haha.
466
posted on
02/11/2011 12:01:59 PM PST
by
La Enchiladita
(Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
To: SE Mom; All
I have this awful sensation weve just witnessed a wholly media driven coup. Yes we have. Chilling
467
posted on
02/11/2011 12:03:09 PM PST
by
ColdOne
To: daisy mae for the usa
” Those protesting do...but they are a small number of Egyptian citizens, perhaps 1-2%. Do they speak for all 80 million? “
I’ve seen a number of quotes from the new Government/Military Junta that they will address all of the demands of the ‘protesters’ - nary a word about the 85-90% that aren’t ‘in the streets’......
Just sayin’....
468
posted on
02/11/2011 12:03:57 PM PST
by
Uncle Ike
(Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
To: La Enchiladita
Well, if there are 80 million in the country and even 1 million are protesting....
469
posted on
02/11/2011 12:05:52 PM PST
by
HollyB
To: SE Mom
I have this awful sensation weve just witnessed a wholly media driven coup. Hi, SE Mom, although I greet you with chagrin this day. Word is the so-called "revolution" was started and spearheaded by a Google executive, one Wael Ghonim.
470
posted on
02/11/2011 12:05:55 PM PST
by
La Enchiladita
(Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
To: SE Mom
I have this awful sensation weve just witnessed a wholly media driven coup. Indeed. The media is always happy to oblige obama. No matter what the topic.... domestic, foreign, economic, healthcare - you name it - they've got his back.
To: mewzilla
472
posted on
02/11/2011 12:09:48 PM PST
by
La Enchiladita
(Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
To: melancholy
Our media will not allow “the won” to be humiliated. We’ll have to look to the foreign press for a balance in reporting. And I don’t have an abiding faith in either. I’ll stick with the truth coming from FR.
473
posted on
02/11/2011 12:09:50 PM PST
by
azishot
(Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
To: azishot
I think Obama confuses democracy with mob rule
474
posted on
02/11/2011 12:11:20 PM PST
by
HollyB
To: HollyB; All
475
posted on
02/11/2011 12:11:44 PM PST
by
La Enchiladita
(Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
To: La Enchiladita
Haven’t the number of protesters been sited over, and over by various media outlets to be around a million? If so, and the population of Egypt is 80 million, we have a small number of the total represented in the protesters. That figures to about 1.3%, I think.
I get that not every sympathizer protested or even got involved— but we can’t say for certain that even close to 50% seek an extreme Islamic Gov’t.
This is the tiny grain of hope I am grasping. Not asking you to agree.
To: SE Mom; All
Egypt: Mubarak's Gone, Is Paradise Just Ahead?
My own thoughts...
"It's the greatest day of my life," Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mohamed ElBaradei just told NPR's Robert Siegel. "I couldn't have imagined that I would live long enough to see Egypt emancipated from decades of repression. ElBaradei said that "every Egyptian [now] feels ... a sense of hope" and "every Egyptian is a different Egyptian today." (01)
ElBaradei is a highly visible Egyptian politician. Most people haven't thought of him in those terms prior to this, but he is now one of a few highly visible Egyptian politicans who will likely figure prominantly in elections to be held later this year or possible early 2012. The problem with this is that under the idea that Democracy can only turn out well, ElBaradei could become the first popular leader of Egypt. (02) And the problem with that is that ElBaradei has some rather interesting takes on Egypt's internal, regional, and global dynamics. For instance, ElBaradei states that "Israel has a peace agreement with Mubarak, not Egypt." He also states that the Muslim Brotherhood should be invited to participate in the future of Egypt. That in and of itself is alarming. (03)
A short article on the topic of the Muslim Brotherhood touches on these topics. The MB states that Egypt should close the Suez Canal, cut off gas supplies to Israel, and prepare for war with Israel. Evidently this is the direction ElBaradei sees Egypt heading in the near future. (04) (05)
While it isn't a true test of where a nation is headed, it is still important to note who is happy at what is taking place. One of the first nations whose leadership commented on the resignation of Mubarak, was Iran. Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday claimed the uprising in Egypt heralded a new Middle East without the "satanic" influence of the West and that will doom Israel. " (06) While the president of the United States is working up a personal glory moment for himself, and hasn't addressed the departing Mubarak yet, his comments from last night leave no doubt that he is thrilled. (07) Of course, now that he has helped push Mubarak out, he'll no doubt try to sound reasoned, claiming both to have not involved the U. S. in Egypt's business, but also to take no small amount of credit for having guided this situation to this perfect outcome, at the same time saying that it's now up to the Egyptians (to cover his ass). If it doesn't turn out well, it won't be his fault.
This is not going to turn out well folks. I remain unconvinced that the removal of Mubarak isn't the inception of a black hole in the middle of the Middle-East, that will suck everything down the same rabbit hole.
I'm not the only one to harbor grave misgivings about what may come of Egypt. Early signs are already showing a shift in the public's perceptions on the ground there. Take note of this commentary that appears on our forum. Among other things, it touches on women starting to show up in the public square in burkas. Ah yes ladies, Mubarak is gone, and of course, repression along with him. /s (08)
Sources:
(01) NPR
(02) Yahoo News
(03) Rational Public Radio (admitedly not a first rate link, but it does echo other reports I've read, so I don't believe it swerves off course here)
(04) Jerusalem Post
(05) FinancialSense.com
(06) the Telegraph
(07) AP
(08) various sources, for information related in the linked commentary
477
posted on
02/11/2011 12:16:41 PM PST
by
DoughtyOne
(There once was a man named Barack, whose pediatrition refused to talk...)
To: HollyB
He confuses lots of things. Just heard him talk about “universal rights” for the Egyptians. He can’t even say “God given rights”. Is despise a stronger word than hate? Maybe I have a despising hatred towards him.
478
posted on
02/11/2011 12:17:02 PM PST
by
azishot
(Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
To: La Enchiladita
(((La Enchiladita))) Good to see you, stranger!
Indeed, Wael Ghonim was certainly a major player- and did you see him offer his thanks to El Baradei for teaching him about Egypt? The same El Baradei who is wholly owned by the MB? Google and the Muslim Brotherhood...now THERE’s a combination that inspires hopenchange, eh?
479
posted on
02/11/2011 12:17:05 PM PST
by
SE Mom
(Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
To: daisy mae for the usa
You’re right. I do not share that hope. Why Egypt? Why now?
Answer: Israel is surrounded
Talk of hope is propaganda.
480
posted on
02/11/2011 12:18:02 PM PST
by
La Enchiladita
(Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
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