Posted on 02/10/2011 6:25:57 AM PST by Notary Sojac
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) said Wednesday evening she has no objection to the participation of gay Republicans at this weekend's gathering of conservatives in Washington.
Palin said she didn't see anything wrong with the participation of GOProud, a group of gay Republicans, at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), which runs Thursday through Saturday.
"I don't have a problem with different, diverse groups that are involved in political discourse, and having a convention to talk about what the answers are to their problems that face America," Palin said Wednesday on Fox News when asked about GOProud.
Palin isn't participating in the conference, and she's declined previous invitations, despite CPAC's role as a cattle call for possible Republican presidential candidates.
But other prominent conservatives have said they're skipping the conference. The conservative Heritage Foundation and other socially conservative groups withdrew due to the inclusion of GOProud. And with those groups out, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) followed suit. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) also declined participation, though it's unclear if that decision is linked to GOProud.
Aside from DeMint, though, the other Republicans mulling a run for president are slated to speak or participate at the conference, hoping in part to boost their standing in the closely watched straw poll of attendees.
Palin suggested that conservatives had more important issues to worry about than which groups were attending the conference.
"People are losing their jobs; they're losing homes. We're still engaged in a war," she said. "There are so many life-changing, life-and-death issues out there in front of us. You know, we'd better be concentrating on what is really important here and not going kind of tit-for-tat as people are positioning themselves for 2012."
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
What are we called to do first? Run a conservative political movement or save the lost?
It was you who wanted to bring in what the Lord did with sinners.
He was dealing with spiritual issues, we are dealing with political ones, which include morality as a foundation.
And then you bring in the good Samaritan story!
That has to do with being merciful, it is not a political issue.
So, from the rest of your post, it is clear you are quite confused.
I deal with the homosexual on the spiritual level like any lost sinner.
Politically I deal with him as a threat to the entire fabric of the society since he wants to be accepted as being 'born that way' and not a sinner.
No nation has survived homosexuality being considered normal.
You cannot separate the two. Socially liberal policies do not fit with fiscal conservatism as social liberalism costs money.
Sorry if that makes me not cool enough to be in your tent,
Not me. The owner of this site has stated a number of times that you cannot be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. It doesn't work.
There are pinglists for almost every subject on FR. Why are you bothering with one that doesn't interest you and then blame me?
Homosexuals intends to change the moral fabric of America. That will affect every faze of American life. Whether you have kids or grandkids, who wants them exposed to that?
If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything.
I didn't. ON THE THREAD, people are calling gays rude and obscene names. That's not "redefining morality," that's being boorish.
Fight a gay agenda all you want. That's decent and fair. But calling ANY group of people by rude names is OVER. No calling blacks the N word, Jews the K word, people with Down Syndrome the R word, etc. If you think you are a good Christian or Jew or even conservative, but you insist on being crude to homosexuals, you are NOT a good person.
By the way, I am not referring to funny jokes that sometimes happen on FR that even a gay person could also laugh at. I'm talking about discussions like this one where boorish FReepers can't wait to insult people who are gay. Fight the AGENDA, not the individuals.
No. Homosexuals are ramping up their attacks on American values and morality. What you really mean is that you are blind to the danger.
We both know that by the time your grandkids are your age, the "gay issue" will no longer even exist.
How old does my 20 yr old grandson have to be?
The difference now is that they are less afraid of people like you who harbor some hatred for them and they come "out."
You've bought the liberal lie. Telling the truth isn't hatred. Their lifestyle kills. Literally. The average age is 50. They recruit children. How can you be blind to that?
And you're right, each successive generation is becoming more tolerant of gay people. That may drive you over the edge, but it's empiracally true.
Name a country that has embraced deviancy and survived.
Remember back in the 50's and 60's how there were all those black activists
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As gay people become more accepted, whether you like it or not, and achieve equal footing with you and me, they'll sort of blend in to the cultural landscape.
You are equating skin color with sexual behavior? You really HAVE bought the lie.
Mine say It may not be "right," but who am I to stop it?
If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Here is why the “issue” matters, as do ALL moral issues.
I expect the “libertarians” will never “get it”... since they possess no values, only standards... and those can always be lowered. Craven materialism and self-centered egos do not substitute for genuine liberty.
The moral relativism of the simple-minded has placed America on a fast track to socialism. You see, libertarians are actually closet socialist—they just do not yet comprehend the irony of their atheistic philosophy. As Sir Edmund Burke stated:
“In some people I see great liberty indeed; in many, if not in the most, an oppressive, degrading servitude. But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint. Those who know what virtuous liberty is, cannot bear to see it disgraced by incapable heads, on account of their having high-sounding words in their mouths.” — Reflections. (IV. 272).
“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites; in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity; in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption; in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite he placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot he free. Their passions forge their fetters.” — National Assembly (IV. 319).
“Their passions forge their fetters.” Put another way: Their permissiveness and disregard, for the necessity of a moral character to the nation, ensures that all soon shall wear the yoke of fiscal bondage, and the heavy chains of tyranny that must follow.
Here is the most lucid explanation I have ever read, as to why the “libertarian” model is our greatest enemy (as I have always held it to be). This article, written by Robert Ritchie, of The American TFP (Tradition, Family and Property) plainly explains the principles involved—and the risk of abandoning them ...
TFP to CPAC: Don’t Betray Principles
http://www.americaneedsfatima.org/Robert-s-Blog.html
The Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) has long been the premier event of the conservative movement. It has served to unite conservatives focused on major issues and causes by standing firm on core principles that define the movement and guarantee its success.
This year, however, this unity has been threatened. Many of the most active and important participants in this conference have decided not to come because of the continued participation of the homosexual activist organization GOProud as a sponsor and planner of the event.
The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP) joins with these organizations in protest against this departure from principle. In the name of countless conservative youth on American campuses, TFP Student Action members have decided to stay at CPAC so that we might present these considerations.
Creating Artificial Divisions
Indeed, the GOProud controversy only brings disadvantages to the conservative cause. The liberal media have been quick to exploit the controversy by trying to turn it into a civil war, major schism or deep fissure inside the conservative movement.
The reality is, of course, very different. GOProud is hardly a major player in the conservative movement. Contrary to so many of the organizations who have long attended CPAC, the two-year-old GOProud group has no projection among conservatives, negligible membership and a demographically insignificant voter base. {footnote} Most estimates of those practicing homosexual behavior at any given time put the number at around two percent of the population. Assuming that thirty percent register and vote, and generously assuming that less than one third of those might have voted Republican. The potential voter base would be at most somewhere around 600,000-800,000 persons distributed unevenly over 50 states.
In fact, the group’s only notoriety seems to be its capacity to create artificial controversy and be the cause of great frustration and distress among the massive ranks of social conservatives who have delivered electoral victory after victory to the conservative cause over the past three decades.
All Conservatives Must Unite Around Principles
However, the worst effect of this controversy is not the appearance of disunity. It is the illusion that we can disassociate sound fiscal policy from a morally grounded society.
While we recognize the right of all conservatives to concentrate on those fields of action that they feel called to defend, we strongly disagree with those who would exclude moral issues from the conservative core values.
If we do this, we betray our heritage and principles since it is a moral America that has been the mainstay of our movement and the foundation of our nation. From its birth, America has always defended a higher moral law so well expressed by the Ten Commandments. We abandon this at our peril.
Making the Links
If we compromise on moral values we not only betray our principles, but we put ourselves on the road of adopting the very socialist ideas that we have so effectively opposed.
Socialism is a utopian ideology that seeks to eliminate human selfishness by destroying individual freedom, the family, private property and free enterprise. Socialists believe they can eliminate injustice by transferring responsibilities from individuals and families to the State. However, their efforts are tantamount to killing the patient to cure his illness.
By suppressing individual responsibility, socialism destroys the foundation for all morality. Thus, for socialism there are no absolute truths or objective morals that establish standards of conduct that apply to everyone, everywhere, and always. Everything evolves, including right and wrong, good and evil. There is no place for the Ten Commandments, neither in the private mind nor in the public square.
Whether favored by liberals or conservatives, a free love agenda which includes homosexuality and same-sex “marriage” is completely consistent with socialist thought since it deprives sexual acts of their consequences and natural end. Indeed, wherever socialists have taken power, they have always pushed ahead legislation to promote the homosexual lifestyle and same sex “marriage.” By its own principles, socialism will always lead to a morally-depraved and fiscally irresponsible society. Likewise such a society will always end up in socialism.
Call to Save Our Future
By including those who reject an objective moral law into our conservative union, we work against ourselves since we invite into our ranks those whose lack of principles will destroy the very principles for which we fight.
As young Americans, TFP Student Action members call upon CPAC participants to help save the future of our conservative movement by insisting that these departures from objective moral law stop. We must stand firm in face of the overwhelming pressure of liberal media to force a homosexual agenda upon us. We must not waver in face of a public opinion that seeks to silence us on campus, in the public square and even inside our own movement.
We must not make the mistake of looking to please man but rather to please God in our decisions. Indeed, there are those who think that by being “inclusive” or “politically correct” we might gain public sympathy. These win neither the approval of the left nor the support of the right but rather the scorn of all since no one respects those who abandon their principles and let fall their standards.
As Catholics, we call upon God and Our Lady to assist us in standing firm. Against all expectation, the conservative movement has progressed much over the decades. With the blessings of God, we can hope for yet more victories.
palin is constitutional conservative.
And no one is violating their constitutional rights.
I didn't see anyone calling anyone names on the thread.
I did see you use those names however.
Fight a gay agenda all you want. That's decent and fair. But calling ANY group of people by rude names is OVER. No calling blacks the N word, Jews the K word, people with Down Syndrome the R word, etc. If you think you are a good Christian or Jew or even conservative, but you insist on being crude to homosexuals, you are NOT a good person.
Once again, it was you who were using the 'boorish' terms.
If anyone else was using them, I didn't see them, that is why your post stood out because you did and were claiming others were.
If there was some posts that were using those terms, they must have been very few.
By the way, I am not referring to funny jokes that sometimes happen on FR that even a gay person could also laugh at. I'm talking about discussions like this one where boorish FReepers can't wait to insult people who are gay. Fight the AGENDA, not the individuals.
And fight the PC police, who want to tell everyone else what words are acceptable and what words aren't.
And then use the very same words that they decry!
i have a problem with that too. i also have a problem with the normal people trying to force their noraml sexual behavior on the diviants by USE OF GOVERNMENT. I would rather see churches, social clubs etc uphold the morals than have the governemnt do it. government power is fickle. Once your enemy captures that power they use it against you as the civil rights and homosexuals agenda shows. better not to give the government the power in the first place.
Scroll back up the thread and you'll see a few Freepers who are considering kicking Sarah Palin out of the tent because of a rather innocuous comment in my lead post.
Now, if Palin is too libertarian, my guess is that the "tent" will be sufficiently small as to fit in your average convenience store.
My statement isn’t about individuals but identity groups. Identity groups are not a conservative idea and they make schisms. They support THEIR groups wants and not the whole.
That's one of the most preposterous things I have ever seen posted. NORMAL people don't want deviancy to be made the new normal. Homosexuals are using the courts to force it on the public.
The problem with using government to force your view of morality is that when you become the minority or when the deviants get powerful friends that power of the government can and will be turned against you.
Just like the racists who lived by the jim crow laws had their freedom of association taken away from them when the winds of public opinion changed from a racist one to a tolerant one. Since the government had the power to enforce Jim crow laws the government also had the power to enforce civil rights laws.
the best answer is do not give the government the power to enforce any of it.
homosexuals are using the courts just like the normal people used the courts to force their views on them.
The courts enforce laws. In the case of homosexuals they are making law. Are you suggesting that people using the courts for robbery, rape and murder cases are forcing their morality on robbers, murderers and rapists? Those are all immorality laws.
The problem with using government to force your view of morality
No one is trying to force their morality on homosexuals. They are trying to stop them from forcing deviancy on the rest of us. 2% of the population has the rest of us at bay. And you are suggesting we should simply let them continue? I think not.
Jim Crow etc has nothing to do with sexual deviancy.
the best answer is do not give the government the power to enforce any of it.
Your "solution" is to let deviants control the rest of us through activist courts.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Amen! But that is the excuse the deviants use to justify their attempts to make society accept their deviancy as normal (normal=God honoring)
That is why Christianity that must never compromise with sin, but always denounce it AS sin, the word the deviants hate the most.
yeap.
all I got to tell you is that you better hope that murderers rapists and robbers never get the levers of power....
Nice dancing.
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