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Any help would be appreciated.
1 posted on 02/09/2011 5:45:14 AM PST by lowtaxsmallgov
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PING!...........batter up!............


2 posted on 02/09/2011 5:46:53 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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Thanks for expanding my vocabulary! I had to learn a new word to even know what you were talking about!


3 posted on 02/09/2011 5:47:48 AM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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4 posted on 02/09/2011 5:49:12 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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I haven’t done a lot of research, but the information I have come across indicates the fracturing process takes place at depths well below the acquifer sources that the marxist greenies claim they are worried about.


5 posted on 02/09/2011 5:50:51 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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My suggestion... it’s propaganda, and you’ll have a damn hard time arguing with it regardless of your vocabulary, etc. Even if you were an industry SME you wouldn’t be able to convince these people of anything - you’d just be assaulted for being part of the problem.


6 posted on 02/09/2011 5:52:15 AM PST by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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I do some business in Pennsylvania, where the Marcellus formation represents one of the biggest natural gas deposits in the world. High pressure fracturing of shale rock and directional drilling allow for effecient and environmentally sound extraction. The companies I deal with are over the top when it comes to environemental responsibility.

Take a look at this website for some counter arguments to the Gasland hit piece: Marcellus Shale Coalition

7 posted on 02/09/2011 5:54:15 AM PST by PDMiller
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I expect the reason you can't find a lot about fracking that is pro is that this info is proprietary. Maybe best to keep a low profile if you are fracking too. It really depends on what is used to frack the rock, water and ceramic beads don't do any harm, some minerals that make the water denser might sound scary to the earth mother crowd but really aren't a problem. Arguing with these people is pointless. They hate anyone who is sticking it to mother earth. I expect lawyers put out this stuff trying to get a class action suit set up if there is a higher than expected cancer rate, more redheaded babies, or any other phenomena in an area close to a fraced seam.
8 posted on 02/09/2011 5:56:08 AM PST by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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It’s a tough problem because they don’t have any skin in the game.

If they have any doubts, they can take the position to just “ban it all” and NIMBY it because there’s no immediate downside to them if they are on the “ban wagon” and no perceivable upside if they support it.

Sure, it hurts us all in fuel prices, energy independence etc, but how do they feel it?

So they’re not likely to make a good selfish decision, much less a broad, thoughtful one.


9 posted on 02/09/2011 5:57:16 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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I just found the movie online - if you want a link, PM me.

Weird, Frack is a term used in the Battlestar/Caprica sci-fi tv shows - to substitute for the ‘bad F word’


10 posted on 02/09/2011 5:59:59 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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Gasland is currently in rotation on one of the movie channels (HBO, I think). I watched it the other day and it is quite a sensational propaganda film. They show people lighting their tap water on fire as it comes out of the faucet because it has so many chemicals from the fracking that mixed with the well water. I really don’t know what to make of the film to be honest. I’d like more info also...


13 posted on 02/09/2011 6:32:17 AM PST by lwd
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Any help would be appreciated.

Not sure how much help this is, but back in the late 70s/early 80s, a bunch of Oil companies came through the area where I lived(North east Ohio) and drilled a bunch of Berea formation gas wells. They also drilled a bunch of Clinton formation oil/gas wells and were fracking the formations then. Fracking is nothing new.

The Clinton wells were roughly 4-5000 feet and there were wells everywhere. No one had any burning faucets.

14 posted on 02/09/2011 6:33:40 AM PST by Malsua
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It mostly depends on what is used in the hydraulic fracking fluids. Some of these "proprietary" mixes you wouldn't want spilled above ground near your favorite fishing hole, so they shouldn't be forced deep into the ground either, IMHO.

Conservatives laugh at the Greenies for sequestering CO2 that later carbonates ground water and causes other problems, so why would we allow something toxic forced into the ground to help extract gas/oil?

18 posted on 02/09/2011 7:07:04 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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Good video with data and informative animation about the process:

http://www.oerb.com/Default.aspx?tabid=336


20 posted on 02/09/2011 7:11:56 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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Don’t bother attending unless you can stand to be in the same room as people who would believe baloney like this film. You can rent the video. It is a total fake. The folks in Dish, TX (a 2 mile square community) that mostly moved there AFTER the gas drilling and pipelines were there said in their health survey that they were mostly healthy. You can google it.

Fracking has been around for 60 years. The head of our state DEP (PA) said there has never been an incident of fracking causing water pollution. It is used in drilling WATER wells as well as gas wells. Haliburton recently decided to release info on its fracking fluids.
They are using stuff from the GRAS (generally accepted as safe) list - - things you might find in salad dressing or tooth paste, etc.

What is bad is injection of any nasty stuff into underground wells for disposal. It can come back to haunt you.

Fracking fluids can be evaporated resulting in distilled water and a small amount of solids.
The “chemicals” in fracking fluids amound to less than 10%
of the total volume of frack water. Also frack water can be reused to frack another well.

Not sure if you have read about it here, but both NM and TX have suffered freezing temperatures and this has caused power outages and lack of natural gas to heat homes. Some have been without heat for over a week.

The same people who don’t want nuclear, don’t want oil drilling, don’t want coal and don’t want nat gas should turn off their electricity at least 3/4 of a day and only use “green energy.”


22 posted on 02/09/2011 7:21:44 AM PST by finnsheep
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Gasland the Movie: How much to believe?
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6635 “a site called Energy in Depth has a whole page of material under the title Debunking GasLand”


24 posted on 02/09/2011 7:27:33 AM PST by anglian
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Fracking’s biggest issue is dealing with the contaminated waste water.. if it is not captured and processed properly it can do some serious damage to watershed etc. However provided it is being done properly it is far safer and less ecologically impacting than other things such as coal mining etc.

Still over 2000 miles of streams and rivers in PA alone that are deemed “unsuitable for human contact” thanks to acid mine runoff... a 100% human caused problem, and one that we can solve.. and no one is really doing jack about it because its not politically advantageous to whip folks up over a real threat to their lives when there isn’t a corporation to attack for it.


27 posted on 02/09/2011 8:13:01 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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Only info we need in NE Pennsylvania is economic. If youns all got enough (or even too much) money, keep the gasmen out. Otherwise, drill, baby, drill.


29 posted on 02/09/2011 8:35:41 AM PST by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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