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DEC founder Ken Olsen is dead
The Register ^ | Chris Mellor

Posted on 02/08/2011 5:46:22 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: mmercier

1980: DEC, Basic and a roll of tape...


21 posted on 02/08/2011 6:52:19 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (I am proclaiming 2011 as the year of ME!)
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To: DJ Frisat; Citizen Tom Paine
PDP-5 and -8 were 12 bit machines, but the first PDP, the PDP-1, was an 18-bit machine.
22 posted on 02/08/2011 6:53:36 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: nhwingut
This was the quote that killed DEC


23 posted on 02/08/2011 7:01:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Red Badger
It became popular in university labs because it was vastly cheaper than a mainframe, ran real-time programs instead of batch jobs, and didn't need a raised floor, air-conditioned data centre, being just another piece of lab equipment.

I believe they began as a low-profile supplier of "flip chip" modules; using discrete transistors to implement simple logic functions on small circuit cards of a standard dimension. So for a while, they didn't sell computers; although I presume they had it mind to use those same logic cards, now in volume production, to cobble together computers under their own name. And of course, that's what they soon did, borrowing concepts from MIT one-off computers for machines like the PDP-1, PDP-7, LINC, and (most famously) the PDP-8, the first widely sold minicomputer.

About the time that DEC was introducing minicomputers based on MSI chips (roughly, chips containing on the order of 100-1000 transistors), there was this group engaged in a swiss navy project designing what was to become a major microprocessor. They badly needed some local computational resources.

Their batch and timesharing IBM/RCA/GE beasts just would not do for their purposes. But yet the Corporation's IT suits had a seemingly unbreakable stranglehold on computing power, and nobody anywhere in the company had been able to get a computer approved for department, or even plant-wide use, that was more than a remote batch job terminal or a minicomputer for direct use in production test and support.

The project leaders got creative. They listed the capital investment as "test equipment." In reality, it was a DEC PDP-11/70 with 256K memory, 170 MB removable disks, half-inch tape drive, and a couple dozen CRTs, which they had the, umm, audacity, to plan to put on the engineers' desks. They even specified 1200 baud (!) modems so engineers could work from home (this was a few years before Hayes or even US Robotics).

Well, they got it approved. And the operating system they chose was a commercially-supported version of Unix PWB/ver 6.5. This was the first departmental multi-user and the first Unix system in the Corporation.

That MPU chip would not likely ever have seen the light of day without that DEC computer, and the graphics-based computers of a couple of former west coast garage hackers would not have been what they were or appeared when they did, if ever.

24 posted on 02/08/2011 7:01:31 AM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: camle
may he RSTS/E in peace.

LOL! I cut my programming teeth on a PDP-11 running RSTS/E.

25 posted on 02/08/2011 7:01:39 AM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: Mannaggia l'America

me too. when we got our first VAX, it was quite the thing!


26 posted on 02/08/2011 7:08:54 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Erasmus

even the DEC VT100 became the system standard


27 posted on 02/08/2011 7:11:41 AM PST by jrd
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To: Citizen Tom Paine; Red Badger

In the early days, DEC built machines with word widths that were multiples of 3.

Without looking up the very earliest models, the ones I am familar with had the following widths in bits:

PDP8/LINC-8: 12 bits
PDP-7/9/15: 18 bits
PDP-6/10/DecSystem10/20: 36 bits

Later, they got with the 8-bit byte / addressable unit program (pioneered, IIRC, by Gene Amdahl at IBM) and built the

PDP-11: 16 bits
VAX: 32 bits
Alpha: 32 bits

By the way, the PDP-8S was a cost and size reduced model of the PDP-8, in that its internal organization was bit-serial. This substantially reduced the number boards/gates/transistors required, at the cost of about a 10X speed penalty. It ran all standard PDP-8 software, however; the programmer’s model was the same as other -8s. I think it was still built with discrete transistor modules. Due to the circuitry reduction stemming from its serial organization, it was the first minicomputer whose main unit fit into a single 10.5” high rack unit.

You are correct that this was still in the days of core memory. I seem to recall that our PDP-8S also had a rack-mountable power supply separate from the main unit, however.


28 posted on 02/08/2011 7:14:21 AM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: Red Badger

Remember the DEC Writer - they were everywhere with their zip zip unmistakable sound.


29 posted on 02/08/2011 7:16:31 AM PST by atom99
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I took Fortran at UMass, 1977. I kind of liked it in a soothing way. We had fan fold terminals in the dorms. No monitor. You logged on, wrote your ‘program’, hit run and waited. Unless you wanted really fast times, then you woke up at 2 in the morning.

You could get a job loading punch cards in the computer lab.

I can’t remember but was the book by Tracy Kidder( ? ) The Soul of A New Machine, about DEC?


30 posted on 02/08/2011 7:17:40 AM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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To: atom99

31 posted on 02/08/2011 7:19:21 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Along w/ unix is snake oil. ;)

Hey, KO was a unique sort of guy and I liked him. He wasn’t afraid to make bold pronouncements, certainly not your mealy mouthed modern CEO. Yes, he got some things wrong but mostly it was right. He was FAR better than Bob Palmer who had the abilities of a cold bowl of oatmeal.

Some time after he removed from DEC I had a chance to talk w/ him. He still had an office down in Boxborough at one of the old Modular buildings. I dropped in at lunch one day and we had a chat. Glad I did that.


32 posted on 02/08/2011 7:19:51 AM PST by 556x45
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To: SeekAndFind
There was a time in my life when I became an expert at developing software OpenVMS and worked for quite some time with good pay doing it.

There's a story one of the engineers around here liked to tell.

The software architect for VMS left DEC and went to Microsoft. He engineered a new OS which was a little like VMS.

It was also a three-letter acronym. It was the letters V, M, S, each moved down one position in the alphabet.

33 posted on 02/08/2011 7:20:55 AM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: Leisler
I can’t remember but was the book by Tracy Kidder( ? ) The Soul of A New Machine, about DEC?

Data General. It mentions DEC in a somewhat derogatory way (the competition).

34 posted on 02/08/2011 7:23:28 AM PST by chimera
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To: Red Badger

RIP

Amazing products but sucky positioning.

I use to sell their VAX machines.


35 posted on 02/08/2011 7:26:22 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Erasmus
I see that a sentence is misleading.

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About the time that DEC was introducing minicomputers based on MSI chips (roughly, chips containing on the order of 100-1000 transistors), there was this group engaged in a swiss navy project [...]
"

Should read

"
About the time that DEC was introducing minicomputers based on MSI chips (roughly, chips containing on the order of 100-1000 transistors), there was this group at a major semiconductor house engaged in a swiss navy project [...] "

36 posted on 02/08/2011 7:27:02 AM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

You sir, have outlived most rocks. LOL

Excellent insight into DEC.

Thanks.


37 posted on 02/08/2011 7:27:49 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Just re-read your post and I think I recall, probably in error, they were using GAL’s in their later products?

Thanks.


38 posted on 02/08/2011 7:29:20 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: mylife

compared to today... I am thankful we moved past that.

Finger Bone? LOL Thanks for the memory.


39 posted on 02/08/2011 7:30:48 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: theDentist

Yeah, but isn’t it kind of coming back, in a way, with this “cloud computing” idea? That sounds a lot like a dumb terminal talking to other machines “Somewhere Out There”. It isn’t the KO idea, strictly speaking, of a single machine serving a bunch of dumb terminals, unless you extend the idea of a single machine being the “cloud”.


40 posted on 02/08/2011 7:34:24 AM PST by chimera
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