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To: CTrent1564
Really, most of Cranmer's translation is o.k. - that's why I said "in most parts".

Of course, Edward VI and his bigoted advisers insisted on radical changes to the words of Consecration and other particular parts of the Mass to which they objected. It's fairly easy to tease them out and replace them with an accurate translation of the original Latin.

The problem with the Anglican Use Rite as currently constituted is that the part that was changed back sticks out like a sore thumb, since it's based on the current rather awful ICLE translation.

What we really need is for somebody to go back to the Sarum Rite -- maybe a small committee, including an accomplished Latinist and a scholar of 17th century English as well as a good solid prose stylist or two -- and re-translate the problematic bits into a style as closely approaching Cranmer's elegant periods as possible.

(I would be happy to volunteer for proofreading, collating, and any other necessary dogsbody work).

67 posted on 01/30/2011 5:59:20 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

AnAmericanMother:

No doubt a beautiful translation. Our Roman English Missals in the States are finally getting some solid translations.

I had always believed, at least based on my limited readings, that the while the translations of Crammer were sound in terms of its rendering from Latin to English, there were perhaps 2 major issues, 1) the Ordination Rite did not specifically state that candidates were being “ordained as sacramental Priests” to celebrate the sacraments and that 2) The Eucharistic prayers were not such that it was clear that the bread and wine become the sacrament of Christ’s Body and Blood.

Is your understanding consistent with mine? or am I incorrect in my understanding?

Thanks and I have enjoyed your posts in this thread, good job.


72 posted on 01/30/2011 6:07:17 PM PST by CTrent1564
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