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Cold Fusion getting hot with 10kw heater prepping for market
Pure Energy Systems News ^ | 1-17-2011 | Sterling D. Allan

Posted on 01/17/2011 6:38:29 AM PST by Red Badger

Italian inventor, Andrea Rossi, claims to have an industrial product ready to manufacture that produces large amounts of energy reliably, safely, and much cheaper than coal or natural gas power. It utilizes the fusion of hydrogen and the common element nickel at relatively low temperatures.

Last Friday, January 14, we reported about a press conference held in Bologna, Italy in which Professor Sergio Focardi and Eng. Andrea A. Rossi, both of the University of Bologna, announced to the world that they have a cold fusion device capable of producing more than 10 kilowatts of heat power, while only consuming a fraction of that. This is the first public demonstration of a nickel-hydrogen fusion reactor capable of producing a few kilowatts of thermal energy. At its peak, it is capable of generating 15,000 watts with just 400 watts input required. On Saturday, a forum was opened allowing for questions online from around the world.

This recent public demonstration alone is is a huge development, but what's more, they also claim to be going into production, expecting to have these available for purchase commercially within a year. This would become the world's first commercially-ready "cold fusion" device. They claim to have contracts in the USA and in Europe. Mass production should escalate in 2-3 years.

In his forum, Rossi wrote:

We have passed already the phase to convince somebody. We are arrived to a product that is ready for the market. Our judge is the market. In this field the phase of the competition in the field of theories, hypothesis, conjectures etc etc is over. The competition is in the market. If somebody has a valid technology, he has not to convince people by chattering, he has to make a reactor that work and go to sell it, as we are doing.

Inquiries about purchasing are to be directed to info@leonardocorp1996.com

Rossi estimates that the cost of energy made with this system will be below 1 cent/kWh, in case of electric power made by means of a Carnot cycle, and below 1 cent/4,000 M J in case of thermal power production for heating purposes. That is several times cheaper than energy from fossil fuel sources such as coal or natural gas.

According to Rossi, the demonstrated device shown last Friday is their industrial product that is claimed to be reliable and safe. In normal operation it would produce 8 units of output for every unit of input. Higher levels of output are possible, but can be dangerous. They will soon start serial production of their modules. Combining the modules in series and parallel arrays it is possible to reach every limit of power. The modules are designed to be connected in series and parallels.

Rossi also says that they have had one reactor that has run continually for two years, providing heat for a factory. Also, the reactors can self sustain by turning off the input, but they prefer to have an input. The device will be scheduled for maintenance every six months. You control it "just as you turn on and off your television set."

Here's a video excerpt of the demonstration in Italy last Friday. They allowed six people at a time to go into a smaller room where the equipment was located. The tac, tac, tac sound is made by the water pump, which is a precision dosator. You can see all three videos (in Italian) on the efagroup2010 YouTube channel.

According to Daniele Passerini who reported Friday's proceedings in his blog, the private invitation press conference was attended by around 50 people. Professors from the University of Bologna were on hand to verify that the experimental set-up was credible. Rossi explained that they were producing from the reactor about 10-12 kW, while the average energy input was 600-700W, which was also measured the dryness of the steam. The experiment was performed by the patent holders and professors from the University of Bologna unrelated to the project.

The amount of energy being produced was estimated based on how much water is vaporized per second. Also, to understand the source of the process of energy production, they sought to ensure that hydrogen was not being burned, by measuring the mass at the beginning and end of the experiment. A professor Levi used two sodium iodide scintillators to measure the radiation output.

According to a Rossi-Focardy paper (p. 4 of 9), similar results have been obtained in the factory of EON in Bondeno (Ferrara, Italy) in a test performed with ENEL spa on June, 25th 2009; as well as in tests made in Bedford, New Hampshire (USA) in a lab of LTI with the presence of the U.S. Department of Energy (November 19 2009) and of the U.S. Department of Defense (November 20 2009).

Some related research was published by New Energy Times in 2004. And even earlier in November 1998 at LENR-CANR.org In March of 1995 came a report titled "Italian cold fusion succeeded", stated that a 40-watt battery had been operated for four months continuous. So these guys have been at this for a long time.

Doing a lot of digging into Rossi's Journal of Nuclear Physics blog shows that scientists are posting and linking speculation that "hydrinos" (of Blacklight Power fame) or shrunken hydrogen atoms may be involved in this cold fusion and process and their formation may be the source of most of the energy released.

Rossi Energy Amplifier

They received PCT patent number WO/2009/125444 on October 15, 2009, with an additional patent having been filed. Once the second patent is awarded, then the information about how they achieve their results will become public knowledge. Meanwhile, they are keeping that information proprietary.

Simply put, the effect involves pressurized dihydrogen gas (2 bars is the lowest mentioned in the patent and 80 bars is what was used in the demonstration) is placed in metal tube with nano powdered nickel and a heating element (resistor). Somehow the dihydrogen gas is split into atomic hydrogen. When heat is applied the atomic hydrogen reacts with the powdered nickel to produce energy up to 400 times the input energy. Undisclosed catalysts are used to increase the efficiency of the cell.

Andrea Rossi is listed as the inventor. He is also the primary operator of the http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/ website and forum, where the information about the technology is posted.

Some other technical attributes of the process include:

* Regular Ni is used even though other isotopes may provide better efficiency. They think all the isotopes work to produce the effect. * For some unknown reason, not all of the Ni in the cell reacts with the hydrogen to produce energy. The percentage of the Ni that reacts is very low. * Even though the percentage of the Ni that reacts with hydrogen is very low one kilogram of nickel powder should deliver 10 kW of energy for 10,000 hours. The consumption rate of hydrogen and nickel are 0.1 g of Ni and 0.01 g of H to produce 10 kWh/h. Note that for every picogram of nickel that is actually fused or reacts to the hydrogen, much more must be added. Not all the nickel added will react. So if you add 0.1g of Ni to produce 10kWh/h only a small fraction of that Ni will actually be utilized. When the device shuts off due to running out of fuel most of the .1g could be remaining. * Tungsten is in no way used. However, "other elements" are used. * Radiation is produced. However in the device demonstrated which is made for commercial use no radiation escapes due to lead shielding. The fact that radiation is produced is proof of a nuclear reaction. * In the demonstration device for every unit of input there was approximately 37 units of output. * A small percentage of the nickel is transmuted into copper. The amount of copper found in the cell is far greater than the impurities in the nickel powder. None of this copper is "unstable." * There is no radioactivity in the cell after it is turned off. No nuclear "waste." * All of the information needed to successfully replicate a self sustaining system is in the patent application (which is being held proprietary presently). * The power density for thermal energy only is 5 liters per kilowatt. * The hydrogen has to be all hydrogen with no deuterium or heavy hydrogen. Apparently, any heavy hydrogen stops the reaction. * This current system never goes below 6 times more energy out than in. During the test it produced 20 times more energy out than in. In the lab they have done similar tests and obtained 400 times more out than in, but it produced explosions. * (speculation, pending clarification) The fuelling of the system could probably be done via a relatively inexpensive fuel rod that would need to be replaced every few months.

Reaction to the Press Conference Announcement

You would think that something of this magnitude would be reported widely by the media -- at least the alternative media -- but as of Sunday evening, 9:00 pm MST, there have only been three hits in Google news, including our story from Friday.

Steven Krivit, who specializes in cold fusion reporting, wrote a couple of pieces at NewEnergyTimes.com (2), but both were critical. I wrote the following comment in response, which he posted.

Hi Steve,

I read your two stories at New Energy Times, and while I appreciate the points you brought up, I need to say that I’m not convinced that these discredit him substantially.

First, I looked through the http://ingandrearossi.com/ website (linked from the Wikipedia article), which describes the waste-to-energy and imprisonment from Rossi’s vantage point.

Given how corrupt the various governments of the world have become, it seems to me to be more of a case of suppression on their part than of an act of a serious moral breach on the part of Rossi. At worst, it was a violation of a law unknown to Rossi. We see that kind of thing regularly in the free energy world as outside-the-box inventors try to also run businesses, but don’t know how to do so and can get in trouble.

Second, regarding the Journal of Nuclear Physics; again I can relate to Rossi. In a world where academia has spurned cold fusion as a political hot potato, rejecting papers on political, not scientific grounds, I can see why someone would try to provide an alternative method of publishing material along these lines.

I agree that it does look a bit hokey, but I cut him a lot of slack for the above reason. I certainly wouldn’t call it a "scam" as a result.

It seems to me that rather than jumping to a stance of criticism, you should try to encourage and validate the amazing claim.

Meanwhile, I got a couple of emails from some other associates who apparently are in process of checking into the claims and the company with the possibility of striking up a business relationship.

The claims of Rossi are very bold to say the least. They claim to have an industrial product that produces large amounts of energy reliably and safely. This product is not claimed to be a prototype, but is said to be ready to manufacture. These claims deserve serious attention. Could the alternative energy solution we have all been hoping for finally have arrived?

Either this is legitimate (which is what we would hope) and is huge news, or this is a hoax or scam and those involved deserve to totally discredited for the rest of their lives and made an example of to discourage other frauds. Either way, it is important we pursue this rabidly.


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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
“Cold Fusion” is in and of itself, a violation of the laws of physics. Heat is a byproduct of fusion. “Cold fusion” implies the absence of heart from fusion, which is a violation of Physics.

No, it is not a violation. The "Cold" in Cold Fusion simply refers to the reaction happening at water temperatures rather than in a million-degree plasma. A reaction which heats water to above boiling temperature is still called "cold fusion" but can be used to generate power.

Now, whether "cold fusion" actually can be made to work is another story.

61 posted on 01/17/2011 7:39:08 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
“Bad news if it is true. All the stock holders in the fuel related market aren’t going to like it. There are billions of dollars hanging in the balance, and it will be easier to buyout the patent rights so it will never hit the consumer market. Just think how much oil consumption will be reduced, and how the price of oil will drop. All the oil producers aren’t going to be happy, including the USA.”

If they would buy out the patent rights, then they could make a lot more money by producing the device and selling the power than they do with oil. In addition, oil will always be needed for chemical feedstocks to make plastic, fertilizer, lubrication, etc.

62 posted on 01/17/2011 7:40:10 AM PST by marktwain
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To: cripplecreek

If a guy had a way to maneuver a ship (change orbit) around the Earth dragging a giant net, one could become rich in recycled space junk. You wouldn’t believe how much junk there is floating around our planet.


63 posted on 01/17/2011 7:40:31 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Imagine what would happen if we poured a trillion dollars into cold fusion?"

We'd be out a trillion dollars?

I think being real ought to be a first requirement.

64 posted on 01/17/2011 7:41:07 AM PST by mlo
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To: Red Badger

Please ignore my post #59. My mouse has a hair trigger. I thought that I was on the previous thread.


65 posted on 01/17/2011 7:41:17 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: UCANSEE2
So does this. :-)


66 posted on 01/17/2011 7:43:12 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Red Badger

There are lots of garbage statements in the article, which is probably attributable to the reporting, not the lab experiment.

For example, hydrogen feedstock takes a substantial quantity of energy to create. Natural hydrogen contains 0.17% deuterium. The article claims that the hydrogn must be free of deuterium...this would take an even more substantial quantity of energy to achieve.

Also fusion produces neutrons...besides being rather difficult to monitor/measure, lead sheilding does almost nothing to stop neutron radiation (as the article claims).

I’m guessing that they are fishing for investors, not commercial orders.


67 posted on 01/17/2011 7:43:52 AM PST by kidd
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To: babygene
Ok, so they claim they get 30,000 BTU out of 400 watts of power. Here again is a complete line of B.S. You failed to consider Resistance, Voltage and several other factors that determine the amount of heat electricity can produce. That always varies and is completely dependent on those other factors.

Your “math” is quite “fuzzy”!( At a ratio of 400 to 1.)

68 posted on 01/17/2011 7:44:28 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone else's fault!....))
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To: cripplecreek; Upstate NY Guy
Ben Franklin kepts some of his inventions for his own profit and others he gave freely for the greater good of mankind.

Never heard of Ben Franklin selling any chickens.

69 posted on 01/17/2011 7:44:32 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: GraceG
Paul Ehrlich (an eco-weenie)

Make that eco-commie.

70 posted on 01/17/2011 7:45:08 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: ml/nj
A trillion is a BIG number.

Prove it. Send me a trillion dollars so I can see for myself.

71 posted on 01/17/2011 7:46:15 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Larry Lucido

Where’s the electrical cord?

400 watts, it must go really fast.


72 posted on 01/17/2011 7:49:35 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
It doesn’t produce electricity, it produces heat. 400 watts constant input to produce (and here’s the ? part) 15000 (potential/maximum/then it blows up) watts of HEAT. I didn’t know heat was measured in watts.

Energy is measured in watts, joules, and many other units of measurement. Most power plants work by generating heat (whether by nuke, coal, or whatever), using that heat to boil water into steam which then turns a turbine which drives a generator.

If this thing can generate enough heat to create steam, then it can create electricity. If the output water temp is limited, it can still be used to heat buildings in the winter.

73 posted on 01/17/2011 7:50:18 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

You are still talking about a chemical reaction, not fusion at an atomic level. “Cold fusion” is a misnomer in that respect.


74 posted on 01/17/2011 7:50:35 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone else's fault!....))
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Good news! You have it all wrong! Do you know how much of Americans and the world’s productive wages go to the middle eastern and other oil companies? Most all of that dough will go towards other parts of the economy and their own savings accounts! That equals huge boosts in the world economies! We are being dragged down by the constantly fluctuating gas prices


75 posted on 01/17/2011 7:55:05 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: ClearCase_guy

There are a half dozen to a dozen things which ought to be on a war footing at this point, and this just adds one more item to the list. The list includes two super new IC engines (angellabs and ecomotors on the web), thorium reactors, supercapacitors, the oil from algae idea, and simply drilling oil available to us.


76 posted on 01/17/2011 7:55:59 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: kidd
Thanks for the technical breakdown. You nailed it! These scammers are fishing for “investors”, not commercial orders. Because they have every intention of soaking these “believers” for every dime they can, while they can.
77 posted on 01/17/2011 7:56:11 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone else's fault!....))
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To: ClearCase_guy
Imagine what would happen if we poured a trillion dollars into cold fusion?

Why waste money in an exotic way when we could waste it building a bunch of windmills?

All joking aside, I'd agree with you to some degree if there seemed to be any solid science supporting cold fusion. Based on comments that my physicist friends have told me, cold fusion is a dream on the order of a perpetual motion machine.

78 posted on 01/17/2011 7:56:55 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: PapaBear3625
I am always amazed when people say something is impossible because of theory.30 years ago it would have been deemed impossible to have communication devices many of us have today, including computers and the internet.100 years ago space travel was thought to be impossible yet 50 years later we achieved it and so it goes.Necessity is the mother of invention.
79 posted on 01/17/2011 7:58:58 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
If it is turning nickel (atomic number 28) into copper (atomic number 29), then a nuclear reaction is taking place. I would like to see more on the distribution of nickel and copper isotopes in the original material and the distribution of isotopes in the resulting copper to find if one isotope is partiuclarly useful for this. Finding an excess of copper makes this very, very interesting.
80 posted on 01/17/2011 7:59:12 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Washington is finally rid of the Kennedies. Free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.)
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