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Man linked to Giffords shooting called 'very disturbed' (rejected for military)
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 1/8/2011 | Tim Steller

Posted on 01/08/2011 4:45:31 PM PST by markomalley

The man linked to the shooting today of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others is 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Associated Press reported.

Police have surrounded a house at 7700 N. Soledad Ave., which is the address listed by a man with the same name on a variety of online accounts and in the volunteer registry for the 2010 Tucson Festival of Books. The home is near West Magee Road and North Thornydale Road on the northwest side, about five miles from the shooting scene.

A former classmate of Loughner at Pima Community College said he was “obviously very disturbed.”

“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.

Sorenson doesn’t recall if he ever made any threats or uttered political statements but he was very disruptive, she said. He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class, said Sorenson, a Tucson resident.

MySpace, YouTube and Facebook accounts maintained by Loughner suggest he has spent most of his life on the northwest side: His profile says he attended Thornydale Elementary, Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View High School and Pima Community College.

The online accounts also contain bizarre discussions of a new currency and literacy, as well as threatening and despairing messages.

“WOW! I’m glad i didn’t kill myself. I’ll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow .... why doesn’t anyone talk to me?..” he posted on MySpace Dec. 14.

On Dec. 13, he wrote: “I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it.”

In a posting on YouTube, Loughner wrote repeatedly about a new currency.

“I’m thinking of creating a new currency,” he wrote. “Therefore, I’m thinking of a design for my new coins size, shape, color, material, and image to start a new money system.”

He also wrote repeatedly about literacy. In a written message on YouTube, Loughner said: “The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate — hilarious. I don’t control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.”

In a message posted on his MySpace account, titled “Goodbye friends,” Loughner said: “Dear friends...please don’t be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven’t talked to one person who is literate.” It was unclear when it was posted.

In a MySpace profile, Loughner said “My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college.”

He lists among his favorite books “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”. But he also includes a broad variety of other titles, including: “Animal Farm,” “Brave New World,” “To Kill a Mockingbird,” and “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”.

In another YouTube message, Loughner said: “I know who’s listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don’t know this accurate information of a new currency, aren’t aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn’t have happen.”

“In conclusion, my ambition - is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I’m conscience dreaming! Thank you!”

In a youtube.com video dated Dec. 15, entitled “Introduction: Jared Loughner” the accused gunman describes himself as a U.S. military recruit who had applied to join the Army. The Army, however, said it rejected Lougher as a recruit in 2008.

Loughner’s youtube video makes a rambling mention of “MEPS in Phoenix” a reference to the Military Entrance Processing Station in the state capital that all Arizona recruits from every branch of service pass through before leaving for basic training.

“Every United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests,” it said.  “Jared Loughner is a United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix. Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

“I didn’t write a belief on my Army application and the recruiter wrote on the application: None.”

First Sgt. Brian Homme, who oversees Army recruiting in Tucson, said Loughner applied to enlist in December 2008 and was sent to Phoenix to take a test and physical. But “he was found to be unqualified so he never joined the Army,” Homme said.

He declined to say why Loughner was rejected, citing confidentiality laws.

Jared Loughner has had at least two minor run-ins with police, according to on-line court records.

In October 2007, Loughner was cited by the Pima County Sheriff's Department for possession of drug paraphernalia, a charge that was dismissed in November 2007 when he completed a diversion program.

One year later, in October 2008, Loughner was charged with a "local charge" in Marana Municipal Court, that charge was also dismissed following the completion of a diversion program in March 2009.

Court records indicate the Marana case file is due to be purged in December 2013. It's unclear what the exact charge was.

Grant Wiens, 22, attended Mountain View High School with Loughner, although they were not in the same grade.

Wiens also took a class at Pima Community College with Loughner, where they occasionally talked, he said.

“He was a guy in high school who definitely had his opinions on stuff and didn’t seem to care what people thought of him,” Wiens said. “He did his own thing.”

Ryan Miller, 19, was a sophomore at Mountain View when Loughner was a senior.

He said Loughner was seemed like a normal kid.

“I was in shock,” he said, describing his reaction to the shooting. “I didn’t know what possessed someone our age to do something like this.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: giffords; jaredloughner
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To: markomalley

“My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner”

From:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/01/08/my-final-thoughts-jared-lee-loughner

Books:I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Note- One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, The Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf


41 posted on 01/08/2011 7:43:52 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I was wondering if he recently had a medication dosage change or perhaps was given an additional new medication.


42 posted on 01/08/2011 7:47:17 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yes, the shooter and the Kos poster are both suicidal homos with a lot of similar issues.


43 posted on 01/08/2011 7:54:55 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Interested in hunting children and men. Worked for Child Protective Services. Yikes.


44 posted on 01/08/2011 8:00:36 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

Yes, he worked for a government agency that takes children from their parents.

He is probably an SEIU member.


45 posted on 01/08/2011 8:02:52 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Not sure if BlueBoy is the shooter. BB claims to have been married and I have heard no mention of a spouse- male or female. (Is gay marriage legal in AZ?)

I read a few of BlueBoy's posts today, and don't think it is the same person. BlueBoy claims to have been in Arizona for a while, then moved to Massachusetts to get married to another man, then moved back to Arizona. He claims to have business and management experience, and to give a lot of money to the Democrats, so he seems to be older than the shooter. This isn't to say BlueBoy doesn't have some issues himself, but he is not the shooter.

46 posted on 01/08/2011 8:16:17 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: markomalley
He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times

Pre-algebra in college?

47 posted on 01/08/2011 8:19:12 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: ViLaLuz

The information is from another poster on another thread. I do not know if this is the actual ‘alleged’ shooter’s facebook page. I did go to what I believe is his actual facebook page and that information is no longer there. If this is true, he is a very troubled man and I am sick to my stomach at the devastation he has inflicted on so many people- actually an entire nation. What in the hell is wrong with these people??!! The Klebold kid, the Harris kid, now this leftist kook. And I heard he is not cooperating.


48 posted on 01/08/2011 8:22:49 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Vince Ferrer

They’re hinting strongly that Loughner didn’t act alone. It’s possible that this KOS “Blue Boy” had some hand in the matter. He has so many issues in common with Loughner, I’d think it plausible to assume he’s a possible suspect. An older gay man with strong resentments meets a younger, schizophrenic gay man, who had similar resentments or acquired them from the older ... boom.


49 posted on 01/08/2011 8:42:28 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

From the sound of his last Facebook posts, he didn’t expect to live to cooperate.


50 posted on 01/08/2011 8:43:45 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: markomalley

He was into that Democrat elitist disease “everyone is stupid but us commies.”


51 posted on 01/08/2011 8:58:36 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: RegulatorCountry
It is certainly true that there are enough similarities in their personality, location, and possible coneections into the same political circle that it would not surprise me if there is some connection between them, such as having chatted on a chat board, or encountered each other at a political event. I'd wait to speculate any further that they could have actually known each other though.

Needless to say, the FBI already has Jared's family's computers, and accessed their Internet Service Provider. They would also have their phone records, plus the cell phone calls and pings of any cell phone in the area of that Safeway today. If Jared has ever called someone that was standing in that Safeway crowd, they'll be suspects too.

52 posted on 01/08/2011 9:00:42 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
On Dec. 13, he wrote: “I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it.”...is a pretty good indicator of future violence.....
53 posted on 01/08/2011 9:24:33 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Terry Mross

They morphed that. His problem was that he thought everyone was illiterate because they didn’t conscience dream. He said only 5% of people were literate and capable of conscience dreaming. They are going to try to make this racial but I don’t believe it is.


54 posted on 01/09/2011 5:36:09 AM PST by panthermom
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,” —Matthew 24:12


55 posted on 01/09/2011 6:40:02 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: vaudine

Probably blaming the Tea Party as well. My prayers are the congresswoman and the others who were wounded. The perp should get the death penalty, IMHO.


56 posted on 01/09/2011 10:37:30 AM PST by tob2 (Happy New Year!)
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