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The 'Birthers' Persist
Hartford Courant ^ | 12-31-10

Posted on 12/31/2010 5:41:55 AM PST by FS11

President Obama Hawaii's new governor says he'll straighten it all out. Who's he kidding?

Mr. Abercrombie is wasting his time. The truth is no match for the birthers' zealotry, the depth of their twisted contempt for the president, their ceaseless efforts over the past two years to delegitimize him because down deep they believe Mr. Obama or anyone of his racial makeup does not deserve to be president of the United States.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birther; certifigate
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To: LucyT

Is that fear that I smell?


61 posted on 12/31/2010 7:02:16 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: FS11
they believe Mr. Obama or anyone of his racial makeup does not deserve to be president of the United States.

This is why there can be no compromise with people like this. They are intractably ignorant, vindictive, unwilling to speak civilly with anyone who doesn't share ALL their points of view right down the line.

They can only be defeated and tossed aside.

62 posted on 12/31/2010 7:04:04 AM PST by DManA
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To: Red Dog #1

Unfortunately, BO simply has no good options in the WHO’s YOUR DADDY? Game.

BHO 1 disqualifies BO2 as NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

Frank Marshall Davis? was a communist criminal PERVERT Poet who had Gay sex with BO.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/us/politics/18poems.html

Malcolm X? was an anti-American muslim TERRORIST

Grandad Stanley Dunham? How sick is that? Your Dad is your Grandad who raped his daughter, your mother?


63 posted on 12/31/2010 7:05:04 AM PST by FS11
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To: DJ MacWoW

>> Why do they NEVER mention that it doesn’t matter where he was born as he’s NOT NBC. <<

Because I believe in something called “being realistic.” There’s not a snowball’s chance that any federal appeals court or the SCOTUS would ever apply Vattel’s definition of NBC to the issue in controversy. Those who think otherwise are tilting at windmills — a practice in which I’m unwilling to join.

Besides, Vattel was a foreigner, who worte in French. Since when do FReepers want foreign law to be the deciding factor in a matter of U. S. constitutional interpretation?


64 posted on 12/31/2010 7:07:26 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: FS11

It’s almost time for the auto response to kick in.


65 posted on 12/31/2010 7:08:15 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: FS11

FEAR AND PANIC surrounding the White House and the DNC. Just listen to Jeff Kuhner’s report on the The Steve Malzberg Show...

Steve Malzberg Interviews Jeff Kuhner - If The Truth Got Out About Obama There Would Be A Civil War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWuM0tzrOYs&feature=player_embedded


66 posted on 12/31/2010 7:09:33 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hawthorn
Those who think otherwise are tilting at windmills — a practice in which I’m unwilling to join.

Then why are you on this thread? You will change no ones mind on the issue so your only purpose would be to aggravate?

Besides, Vattel was a foreigner, who worte in French. Since when do FReepers want foreign law to be the deciding factor in a matter of U. S. constitutional interpretation?

Because it's been proven that the Founders did indeed use Vattels, WRITTEN IN FRENCH, when they wrote the Constitution. Not been keeping up on the research? Go throw rocks somewhere else. I don't debate proven points.

67 posted on 12/31/2010 7:12:22 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: FS11

So the Hartford Courant is asserting racism exists when only they are advancing a racism argument. Seems very racist of them.

That is, since no one else has even mentioned racism, for them to bring it up strongly suggests that it is *they* who are racist, or who want to make race an issue.


68 posted on 12/31/2010 7:16:37 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: FS11

Where’s the barf alert? “. . .twisted contempt for the President”??? Please! How about the other side’s twisted contempt for the Constitution?

Quite frankly, I’ll be happy to acknowledge that Obama was born in Hawaii once it’s documented. But I find the veil of secrecy over not only his birth certificate, but all sorts of documents we’ve seen from other recent Presidents—college transcripts, school records, health records and the like—very disturbing.

And, it would be very good for the rule of law and the restoration of Constitutional order for SCOTUS to rule on whether “natural born citizen” in the context of the requirements for POTUS is to be understood in light of Vattel or in light of Blackstone. If the former, bounce the usurper out of office, if the latter, well Abercrombie better be right about the location on the birth certificate, or the same course of action follows. The precedents you cite in other contexts suggest application of stare decisis would yield a ruling for Vattel’s definition.


69 posted on 12/31/2010 7:17:38 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: FS11
Bill Clinton is a criminal, but he played the PR game perfectly. Don't think for a minute Obama can't do the same.

The foreign national parent problem has been and will continue to be spun away and/or ignored. Maybe it might have worked before the election but as valid as the point is it's not going anywhere.

70 posted on 12/31/2010 7:18:32 AM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: GBA

If one is able to put their political affiliation aside and look dispassionately at the facts as we know them, it’s obvious that obama does not meet the Constitutional requirements for the office.


Simply being ineligible to hold office and being removed may be the least of Obama’s problems. He may have committed treason.

If you have not watched the interview of Stephen Pidgeon (he and Leo Donofrio are representing the Chrysler dealers who were disenfranchised by Obama), take some time to do so because it deals with the issue of treason and high crimes alledgedly committed by Obama himself, the Daily Kos, Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, and even Chris Matthews and Bill O’Reilly and other people in the media covering for Obama.

The interview really begins around the 11:00 mark of the first part (but you may want to watch the beginning because they discuss the Pergamos Alter and how it relates to tyrants).

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/12/interview-with-attorney-stephen-pidgeon.html

So the birthers may be the least of Obama’s and his cohorts worries, because high crimes alledgedly have been committed to get him into office and are punishable by law.


71 posted on 12/31/2010 7:20:48 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

I stand corrected : http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=144909. It never passed. As I understand it, Arizona may have done so.

However, with the 2010 elections I belioeve we will see some states pass such laws. I’d love to see Ohio with a new GOP Governor and GOP majorities in the senate and house pass such a law.


The great State of Georgia is well on its way...

Georgia lawmaker says when Congress won’t act, ‘states have a duty to step up’

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=144909

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2009_10/sum/hb1516.htm

And we have a newly elected Governor who has already called Obama out on this...

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/01/08/white-house-confirms-receipt-of-nathan-deal-letter-questioning-birthplace-of-barack-obama/


72 posted on 12/31/2010 7:23:53 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: The_Reader_David

And, it would be very good for the rule of law and the restoration of Constitutional order for SCOTUS to rule on whether “natural born citizen” in the context of the requirements for POTUS is to be understood in light of Vattel or in light of Blackstone. If the former, bounce the usurper out of office, if the latter, well Abercrombie better be right about the location on the birth certificate, or the same course of action follows. The precedents you cite in other contexts suggest application of stare decisis would yield a ruling for Vattel’s definition.

69 posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 9:17:38 AM by The_Reader_David


There is no doubt that there are at least 5 votes against BO on the Natural Born Citizen issue on SCOTUS presently. I could even envision Justice Ginsberg voting against BO, but she is in poor health, so a case needs to be brought before SCOTUS immediately on a Motion for Original Jurisdiction.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/07/taking-aka-obama-directly-before-scotus.html


73 posted on 12/31/2010 7:28:24 AM PST by FS11
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To: Hawthorn
Besides, Vattel was a foreigner, who worte in French. Since when do FReepers want foreign law to be the deciding factor in a matter of U. S. constitutional interpretation?
Vattel's book was a treatise, not law.
74 posted on 12/31/2010 7:35:49 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick

No one has an idea of the level of evil in this person’s mind. Having sat in the pews of United Trinity Church and listening to the hate being directed at “White” America and Jews, you can only imagine he is all about redressing grievances of specific groups despite the pain and suffering it would unleash on society as a whole.

Why would someone knowing that he is not eligible to hold office may an attempt to do so. To intentionally put us into a Constitutional crisis and be the genesis for another Civil War.

Here’s some fuel for the fire:

Who’s Your Daddy? Who’s Your Mama?

http://obambi.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/who%E2%80%99s-your-daddy-who%E2%80%99s-your-mama/


75 posted on 12/31/2010 7:44:22 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: screaminsunshine

Nope, you got it backwards.

The left wants to use this issue to create total chaos and unite the base into a violent mob.

One right after another is going to start making the claim that if you aren’t white, the “TEABAGGERS” don’t think you are a citizen.

They will use this and the defeat of the Dream Act as “PROOF” the “TEABAGGERS” only want a nation of white people.

There’s your glue to unite the blacks and “ILLEGALS” which they haven’t been able to do before.

This is Hillary at her finest.


76 posted on 12/31/2010 7:45:56 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: FS11

“down deep they believe Mr. Obama or anyone of his racial makeup does not deserve to be president of the United States.”

Does this mean that birthers believe that anyone with 50% or more of Caucasian make up do not deserve to be president of the United States?


77 posted on 12/31/2010 7:50:06 AM PST by miked2244
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To: screaminsunshine

“Liberals running scared. They want it to go away because they know it is true.”

Bingo. The Kenyan lives in fear of exposure.

I am a birther.


78 posted on 12/31/2010 7:51:32 AM PST by y6162
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To: mapmaker77

Yep, you got it. This is Hillary Clinton all the way.

This is designed to unite the blacks and the “ILLEGALS” which they haven’t been able to do before.


79 posted on 12/31/2010 7:53:11 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: FrankR

This whole thing with Abercrombie - IMHO - is a ploy to seemingly legitimize obama for the upcoming elections in 2012.


As Glenn Beck says, you have to think outside the box. You have to think like revolutionaries do. In one of Beck’s Shows he shows how George Soros has successfully used 5 steps to overthrow governments (has successfully done it to 4 countries). He has already achieved 4 of the steps thus far; what is left to be done is an “election crisis”. How nice that our popularly elected president is not eligible to hold office. Now try to remove him, kind of like removing a band-aid from a pussy scab.

http://www.watchglennbeck.com/video/2010/November/glenn-beck-show-november-10-2010-the-puppet-masters-plan-for-america/


80 posted on 12/31/2010 7:56:51 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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