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The 'Birthers' Persist
Hartford Courant ^ | 12-31-10

Posted on 12/31/2010 5:41:55 AM PST by FS11

President Obama Hawaii's new governor says he'll straighten it all out. Who's he kidding?

Mr. Abercrombie is wasting his time. The truth is no match for the birthers' zealotry, the depth of their twisted contempt for the president, their ceaseless efforts over the past two years to delegitimize him because down deep they believe Mr. Obama or anyone of his racial makeup does not deserve to be president of the United States.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birther; certifigate
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I am not a Birther. I could care less if his cronie Abercrombie releases BO's BC or not.

BO is NOT constitutionally qualified to be POTUS regardless of where he was born because by his own admission his dad was a British/Kenyan citizen. SCOTUS has never defined the term “natural born citizen” to any category of citizenship other than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens of the United States of America.

There is a clear, concise and definitive statement in Vattel's Law of Nations which was the principal legal treatise used by the Founding Fathers in writing the Constitution.

"The natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens... it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

The Venus Case, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

In the Venus Case, Justice Livingston, who wrote the unanimous decision, quoted the entire §212 paragraph from the French edition of Vattel’s Law of Nations:

Vattel…is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says:

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. “The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are strangers who are permitted to settle and stay in the country. Bound by their residence to the society, they are subject to the laws of the state while they reside there, and they are obliged to defend it…

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Sixteen years later the Supreme Court…does not cite Vattel per se, but cites the principle of citizenship contained in his definition of a “natural born citizen”:

If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings…

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

In this case the Justice Gray cites the decision in Minor vs. Happersett:

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

1 posted on 12/31/2010 5:41:56 AM PST by FS11
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To: FS11

Liberals running scared. They want it to go away because they know it is true.


2 posted on 12/31/2010 5:44:25 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: FS11

OMG. Please, please, please. ‘Hartford Courant’, go play your race card elsewhere.


3 posted on 12/31/2010 5:46:24 AM PST by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, telling it straight since AD 33)
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To: screaminsunshine

If they really want to paint the birthers as fringe kooks, then RELEASE THE LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO PUBLIC INSPECTION.

If they do so and it passes scrutiny, then the issue is done.

I’m curious to see how Obama handles the Missouri law requiring proof of eligiblity to be placed on the state ballot as a candidate for POTUS. He cannot win re-election without Missouri.

I’d like to see Ohio, Florida and Texas pass similar laws before 2012.


4 posted on 12/31/2010 5:46:38 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Conservatives want a CHOICE not an echo - No more RINOs!)
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To: screaminsunshine

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-ineligible-if-he-was-born-on.html


5 posted on 12/31/2010 5:46:50 AM PST by FS11
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down deep they believe Mr. Obama or anyone of his racial makeup

The liberals just insist on making it about race. The truth is the anyone who can't produce a birth certificate shouldn't be president. Doesn't matter if he's half black or lime green.

6 posted on 12/31/2010 5:47:26 AM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: FS11

I’m not a birther either but I think proof that a president is a natural born citizen should be publicly available.


7 posted on 12/31/2010 5:48:57 AM PST by MulberryDraw (Turn off the EPA, FCC, Federal Dept. of Education, ...)
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To: FS11

First step in the recovery process is to admit you are wrong.

Barack Obama is not eligible to the President of the United States.

Repeat.


8 posted on 12/31/2010 5:49:13 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Soebarkah renounced his US Citizenship in 1968.)
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To: FS11; screaminsunshine

The “prez” is a dirtbag, lying, traitorous SOB for whom I hold ZERO regard though I have a great deal of regard for the Rule of Law, documentary proof of claims, and simple logic.

None of which interest the typical liberal or MSM rag in the least.


9 posted on 12/31/2010 5:49:22 AM PST by Scanian
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Do not need to sell me. If he had it he would of released it. He does not and is not a legit President.


10 posted on 12/31/2010 5:49:26 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: Scanian

They hate the Constitution anyway. They consider themselves to be enlightened ‘Citizens of the World’. What a bunch of Dopes.


11 posted on 12/31/2010 5:50:59 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: FS11
The truth is no match for the birthers' zealotry...

Prove it...release the truth! Cost, $10!

12 posted on 12/31/2010 5:51:31 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: FS11

Sounds like another excuse peddling dhim, look out for alot of prominent scumbag dhims to come crawling out of the woodwork and claim that comrade zero won’t run again because pubbie controlled states won’t allow him on the ballot due to bc questions and just ole fashioned racism, clearing the way for a clintoon redux. My prediction for ‘11


13 posted on 12/31/2010 5:52:09 AM PST by mapmaker77
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To: PistolPaknMama

down deep they believe Mr. Obama or anyone of his racial makeup
The liberals just insist on making it about race. The truth is the anyone who can’t produce a birth certificate shouldn’t be president. Doesn’t matter if he’s half black or lime green.

6 posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 7:47:26 AM by PistolPaknMama


As far as I am concerned, not only is it not about race it is not about place of birth. It would not matter if he was the illegitimate son of Prince Charles and Stanley Ann, he would still have been born a British citizen (subject) and be disqualified to be POTUS. That is precisely the reason that the Founding Fathers wrote the Natural Born Citizen clause of the Constitution to prevent foreign creatures like BO from becoming President of the United States.


14 posted on 12/31/2010 5:54:23 AM PST by FS11
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I am not a Birther.

Good for you! For my part, I don't like such "labels," either.

I could care less [sic!] if his cronie Abercrombie releases BO's BC or not.

I believe that I understand your logic, but I also believe that it is nonetheless in the best interests of the Conservative cause to keep the pressure up on as many fronts simultaneously as possible. Further, if the publication of Obama's long-form Certificate of Birth should serve in any way to discredit, embarrass, or otherwise weaken Obama, then I'm all for it.

Regards,

15 posted on 12/31/2010 5:54:30 AM PST by alexander_busek
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

If they do so and it passes scrutiny, then the issue is done.

How could it possibly pass scrutiny if his father is, who he says he is. The question of the hour. To best remain unanswered, hence the present situation, unlikely to change anytime soon.


16 posted on 12/31/2010 5:55:05 AM PST by wita
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...their twisted contempt ... Their twisted contempt??? Editorialist, heal thy self...
17 posted on 12/31/2010 5:55:18 AM PST by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: wita

You get my point WITA. Why do you think they have not taken this very simple step?


18 posted on 12/31/2010 5:57:04 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Conservatives want a CHOICE not an echo - No more RINOs!)
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To: Scanian; himno hero; The Comedian; Quix; Whenifhow; houeto; null and void; Squantos; xrmusn; ...

The “prez” is a dirtbag, lying, traitorous SOB for whom I hold ZERO regard though I have a great deal of regard for the Rule of Law, documentary proof of claims, and simple logic.

None of which interest the typical liberal or MSM rag in the least.

9 posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 7:49:22 AM by Scanian


Well Stated


19 posted on 12/31/2010 5:58:07 AM PST by FS11
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When I say that Obama is not an American it has nothing to do with where he was born and everything to do with his constant putting down of America and his thinking process is more that of a European Socialist than of an American.
There is nothing wrong or twisted with my contempt for Obama. It is very STRAIGHT FORWARD
He is a lying, immoral and corrupt piece of crap. He is a traitor to the US Military.


20 posted on 12/31/2010 5:59:22 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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