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To: screaminsunshine

If they really want to paint the birthers as fringe kooks, then RELEASE THE LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO PUBLIC INSPECTION.

If they do so and it passes scrutiny, then the issue is done.

I’m curious to see how Obama handles the Missouri law requiring proof of eligiblity to be placed on the state ballot as a candidate for POTUS. He cannot win re-election without Missouri.

I’d like to see Ohio, Florida and Texas pass similar laws before 2012.


4 posted on 12/31/2010 5:46:38 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Conservatives want a CHOICE not an echo - No more RINOs!)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

If they do so and it passes scrutiny, then the issue is done.

How could it possibly pass scrutiny if his father is, who he says he is. The question of the hour. To best remain unanswered, hence the present situation, unlikely to change anytime soon.


16 posted on 12/31/2010 5:55:05 AM PST by wita
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Good morning..I wasn’t aware that Missouri had passed a law as to proof of eligibility to be on the ballot. Do you have links to any articles that discuss this in detail? Thanks, and a Happy New Year..


27 posted on 12/31/2010 6:04:28 AM PST by ken5050 (I don't need sex.....the government screws me every day..)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

...”If they really want to paint the birthers as fringe kooks, then RELEASE THE LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO PUBLIC INSPECTION.

If they do so and it passes scrutiny, then the issue is done.

I’m curious to see how Obama handles the Missouri law requiring proof of eligiblity to be placed on the state ballot as a candidate for POTUS. He cannot win re-election without Missouri.

I’d like to see Ohio, Florida and Texas pass similar laws before 2012”...

When I transferred my college credits from one place to another, I had to provide an original birth certificate..When I applied to withdraw a little money I had paid into a retirement fund, I had to provide an original birth certificate...I was happy to do so, because I know this is a safety mechanism in our society to protect us from fraud and imposters. These institutions did not tell me it was O.K. to just have someone at the state call to say they had seen my original birth certificate..THEY HAD TO HAVE PROOF! WORD OF MOUTH IS NO PROOF! When I think of how ridiculous it is that the POTUS has refused to provide this very basic, common for every citizen, proof of the circumstances of his birth for eligibility to occupy the most important job in the world, I feel great fear for the world. This is huge and any citizen should be up in arms over this refusal..I am not a birther, as such, but how can you not question when this is stonewalled to this extent? Those who are against this kind of proof say the birthers are goofballs..I believe those who want this to remain a mystery are the danger..This is not going away and Mr. Abercrombie, the old Hippie, will not make it go away with his comments.


31 posted on 12/31/2010 6:08:09 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

>> If they do so and it passes scrutiny, then the issue is done <<

Gotta disagree with you. The birthers will just say that the released document is a fake, proved by the fact that at this very moment, Øbama is in Honolulu — no doubt to conspire in a fogery action with relevant state officials.


40 posted on 12/31/2010 6:29:41 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
A national vetting process of some sort of high-office candidates would be one part of what I call a Voters' Bill of Rights".

Our political system is basically broken. What is needed, obviously and painfully, is a voters' bill of rights and the first item of such a bill HAS TO BE runoff elections or instant runoff elections for all public offices.

Nobody should ever fear to vote his first choice, at least on a first ballot, and nobody should ever hold any public office with less than 50% of the vote.

There should also be a None-Of-Above choice on all ballots for public office and if that choice ever wins, then the other candidates should be barred for life from holding any public office and the parties sponsoring them should be barred for at least ten years from sponsoring candidates for that particular office. The penalty for running dead wood for public offices should be severe.

Likewise a candidate for any substantially high office should require at least the same minimal secret clearance which you'd have to have to be a guard at the gate of any US military base. Basically some minimal national vetting process; that would have prevented the last two democrat presidents from holding any national office.

Another item on such a voters' bill of rights should be something which would eliminate voting fraud for all time and if that means getting rid of the secret ballot or at least limiting it somehow or other, so be it, we're paying too high a price for it. Somehow or other it has to be possible to check up on votes when there are questions or evidence of fraud.

Or when an election is within one or two percentage points, send both people to congress with half of a vote each. That would at least end the cheating and stolen elections. You could end the DISENFRANCHISEMENT altogether by making that the general rule. In other words if Pubbie John and Dem Jane get 60 and 40 percent of the vote respectively, send them to Washington with .6 and .4 of the vote for that seat. They'd probably still vote similarly on state interest issues and could then split 60/40 on ideological issues.

In fact, it's not even they need to be living or working inside the D.C. beltway any more. Everybody else is working remotely these days... At least, they couldn't possibly require offices in D.C. nor being there more than a week out of the month. This idea of there being a political "class" in the United States needs to go.

One last item on such a list would be a provision that when a president is impeached and removed, his VP goes out the door with him and the office is either vacant until the next election or an emergency election is held to fill the office for the remainder of the current term. Granted removing a president should be difficult but it should not be impossible and if we couldn't remove Slick, we'd not have been able to remove Hitler or Nero either.

What happened in 98/99 was that Trent Lott simply refused to hand the presidency over to Algor with a year to go on Slick's second term, for obvious reasons. The situation should not be possible.

There are a few other things you'd want but that's the main gist of it. There is also a question as to the extent the people should be voting on issues directly since we now have the technology to allow that while the founding fathers did not. You could get some of these evil social issues settled once and for all and out of politics, and you could limit the scope for corruption and bribery by letting the people themselves settle at least some kinds of issues.

41 posted on 12/31/2010 6:30:14 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
I’d like to see Ohio, Florida and Texas pass similar laws before 2012.

And ARIZONA too. Sue us you simple Kenyan!

42 posted on 12/31/2010 6:32:49 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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