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RJR-You are totally wrong on that one. Read Ezek 38-39 and you will see what happens to those who attack Israel. We know they are safe. Our faith is greater then yours evidently.

The fact is that if significant numbers of Israelis actually converted to Christ, then the prophecy pimps would be out of business. Their theology depends on spiritual pessimism and declension. What lies ahead for unbelieving Israel is wholesale slaughter of millions after the Church is comfortably removed.

The rapturenauts teach that Jesus is not really King of kings and Lord of lords until after the second coming. Even though all authority has been given to Him over heaven and earth (Matt. 28:19), He is incapable of bringing the nations to Himself in this age. Escapism is the route of the rapturenauts.

>>The rapturenauts teach that Jesus is not really King of kings and Lord of lords until after the second coming.<<

As always the deceit of Satan wants us to think that other then what the Scriptures teach. Let’s see what the Bible says about the influence of Satan in this world still.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Does that sound like Satan no longer has power on earth today?

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

“rulersof the darkness of this world” Does that sound like Satan may have some control as ruler of this world?

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

“the god of this world? Now seriously. Why would Paul claim that Satan was the “god of this world” if Satan has been bound and no longer was controlling things here?

Know your Scriptures before using Satanic tactics to confuse.

The fact is that if significant numbers of Israelis actually converted to Christ, then the prophecy pimps would be out of business.

How do you figure? I for one anticipate that a number of Israelis will become Jewish believers in Yeshua--though not culturally Christian--before the Second Coming that will surprise everyone.

Their theology depends on spiritual pessimism and declension.

According to most worldviews, so is the idea that Man is so totally depraved that God could only forgive us through the sacrifice of His Son. So what the heck does "pessimism" have to do with it? Isn't the idea that "humankind screwed it up too badly to fix, so God had to personally intervene in history to save us" pretty much the core tennant of Christianity?

It's amazing how Arminian some Calvinists become when it comes to their eschatology.

What lies ahead for unbelieving Israel is wholesale slaughter of millions after the Church is comfortably removed.

You really need to watch the over-generalizations of your opponents; not all premillennialism is pretribulational rapturist, and even many pretribs make a point of believing in pre-rapture tribulation of the Church.

Besides, you who think that the book closes for Israel with "the wholesale slaughter of millions" from which there can never be a true recovery--except, of course, for those Jews who repudiate everything that God gave us to make us Jewish by becoming not just followers of our Messiah, but also cultural Christians--are being utterly hypocritical with your mock concern over the End Time holocaust belief of the premills. Especially since premill ultimately teaches that Israel will emerge through that Holocaust in victory through her King on a day when

"In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites in Jerusalem. The LORD also will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah. In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD before them. (Zec. 12:6-8)

Have you ever actually been to Israel? Have you ever sat in the store of an anti-missionary and talked to him to find out why he now loves welcoming in Christian tour groups? Have you ever corresponded with members of the Sanhedrin who are open to considering Messianic Jews (those who actually live as Jews) as part of the family? Do you have any inkling why so many Jews, from top scholars on down, are starting to study the New Testament for themselves?

It is because these "prophecy pimps" have been Israel's only consistant friends in the world for over a hundred years. It is because these "prophecy pimps" stopped telling Jews what we believe and what we should believe and started asking in sincere interest. It is because they at least know how to show love and humility.

You mock the pharisees and the rabbis for being blind to the fulfillment of prophecy before their eyes, but you're no better. If only you were truly blind, you would have no sin. But since you say, "We see," your sin remains on you. Like Samson, you boast in your strength, and like Solomon in your wisdom. Like Sardis, you presently have a reputation that you are alive and even growing, but like Sardis, you are spiritually dead.

So please, dear preterist pimps and postmill pimps, give your arrogance a rest, stop pretending that you will win an earthly kingdom, and stop slandering your brothers.

Shalom.